Pandemic AVL Install - CROWNCAST - Episode 6

At the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic we travelled to California to install a new AVL system for City Church.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPT

all right browncast episode 6 yo yo breaking news special guest special

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guest in Crown HQ SL uh Crown cast

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Studios SL our office if you guys could only see our

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setup right now it's amazing pretty impressive especially for an AVL integration company

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so we have here uh an American hero we have Luke wheat of crown Design Group

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quite the introduction welcome to the podcast thank you thank you glad to be here

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you've seen the uh set up and how we make this thing happen are you impressed

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I'm a little concerned but it's happening so and it's going to make it

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through the podcast and everything's going to keep in Jesus R in Jesus name

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Luke tell us a little bit about yourself tell tell the internet a little bit about yourself all right I've been at

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crown for four and a half years now and they're the best four and a half years of your life greatest four and a half yeah the glory years so but I've been

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here for four and a half years um starting with well I won't jump ahead but the start first job was what we're

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talking about today but um yeah uh right now at Crown um my you know mainly I'm

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I'm focusing on the commissioning aspect so the kind of the the third or the Final Phase of a of a project kind of

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programming everything and doing the training with the church um and just kind of getting everything we're doing

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launching uh and then uh on the side uh doing some Crown care uh kind of getting

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that that whole project up and running so right staying busy yeah you're a commissioning manager and our Crown care

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manager overse it Y and uh you've uh come a long way and we're going to go

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look at a project that was your first project essentially your first couple days of work yeah yeah with crown design

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yeah I think I uh graduated 10 days before I started here and my first day was meeting you all at the airport to

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fly across the country so that's right we didn't even meet at the office or anything no no never met you guys and before that we just had uh the interview

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and we did it over Zoom yep and you were smart enough to wear a suit still you

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you wore a jacket a Blazer that's right I would have warn it today if I knew I was going to be honest but uh yeah you

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missed that opportunity but uh you did it on the zoom you probably weren't wearing pants but at least you had the

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jacket on I could tell I was actually wearing shoes because I was just prepared for for one of you just say like all would you stand up Qui or

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something I like I put my shoes on I didn't did not need that I remember the suit I can't believe it's been over four

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years I mean I got the job so the suit did it it worked it worked the suit worked we said hey this guy's just over

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a computer talking to us and he's already dressing up so I like it yeah yeah I say I I paid attention to all

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those those uh those professional development classes I had to take so right and you had gone to school where

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and what you what did you take what' you do yeah I went to Pur University up in Indiana um and I was in a program called

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audio engineering technology which is uh kind of branched off of electrical engineering uh it was kind of like you

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do all the electrical classes and then all your electives are kind of chosen for you and are kind of in the audio

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side of things uh did a minor in theater design and Productions so that was more of the Performing Art side so you kind

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of got to see the creative side and then the engineering side so um and then yeah I did uh worked for the in-house

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production uh company on campus so got to run audio and uh do a couple cool

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events and and help out around there so that was kind of the the background I was coming from walking into here

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right and how prepared did you feel you were oh well I think felt a lot more

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prepared uh walking into the job until you know once we got boots on the ground it was like oh wow I don't know a lot so

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so I got to learn a lot of things uh that first week and this was uh the project we're going to go over today it

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was pretty intense so you were there for that install it was actually phase two install I believe right or were you well

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I was phase one was my first week and phase one and phase two and phase two is the end of my first year so we we went

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back at the end of the year book ended it nice yeah uh well both were pretty

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intense in stalls with some drama that happened uh

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technical issues uh it didn't happen as nicely as we'd like it ended up being great but it

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took a lot of Blood Sweat and Tears to get there and it's funny that that was your first first project a memory it's

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baptism by fire so uh so yeah we're going to go over a project today um that

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we did California Ventura California uh City Church California that's what they're called right how do we get this

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job uh how do we get connected with this church so we've talked about it before how we have we build relationships with

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people you know through this company uh especially churches and stuff we work with and this came from that it's Cra

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Crazy Enough the uh the worship Pastor there was on staff or used to be on staff at a church here in Bradington so

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um where we're where we're located and so we had known him before from a church here and then he ended up

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taking a job out in California at this church to just kind of move positions and go out there kind of change in life

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and job and everything and then he had been out there a couple years I think and they wanted to do some upgrades and

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so um the connection he had was with us even though we were in Florida right um

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Ste Steve baz yeah Steve yo yo I do believe this was our

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first oh it wasn't our first out of stage job no no it wasn't uh but this

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was a pretty good siiz job to go to do out of state to go across the country and try to make happen all the logistics

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which we've talked about before shipping stuff and moving employees and everything out there to make it happen y

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yeah that's how that kind of happened um it was just a just a connection we had with him when he was here so paid off

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and phase two happened in the midst of Co at the very very very very beginning

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because we made a cuz you guys got sick out there I wasn't there you guys got pH one phase one was

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when was when it was the very beginning of Co then we went yeah that's right

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phase one was the beginning of Co we were talking about opening boxes from China and we were making jokes that's

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right okay so but you guys had went out there and and you guys got sick when you were out there on the way back yeah and

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so you were coming back sick now this was when Co it was called the Corona virus at that point so everyone's like Corona whatever there was a couple case

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it this was a time when there was like a handful of cases in the country like it was breaking news that there was three

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new cases in California or something like that so that was going on and then you guys come home to Florida

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everybody's sick and uh you know a few days pass well then breaking news there's two cases of Corona virus in

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Florida now and it was in Sarasota I remember this happening and it was on national news cuz it was like a new

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state of Corona virus got here and I'm thinking our dudes everyone was just in

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California you think it was us I have no idea but y'all got sick if you think about the sickness that y'all had it was

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kind of that whatever cold flu CP and then you fly home well you got to you

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got to think I mean at that time if there were PE okay well I don't want to

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get kicked off YouTube here we already said the words we said we're already tagged uh fouchy all right

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whatever um what okay at that time there were a couple cases and I think they

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were up in like uh the Northwest it was like Washington State yeah and so okay

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at that point if you have identified the virus it's not like those are the first two people that had it in the whole

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country are you kidding me those are the first two people that got sick enough to go to the hospital and get a new test

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that like barely test for it it took days to get like the results or whatever

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so yeah it was not like the it's just the first couple known cases right actually tested and all that so it was

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all over the place I'm sure it was but you can blame us I guess from it hasn't

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gone crazy yet though cuz you guys obviously were able to fly out there and work had it been like a couple months later who knows yeah this was January

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2020 and I think the height of things for like March right was when things were getting real crazy so it had not

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even really happened yet right um but yeah it's interesting because that was funny okay so now I'm remembering it

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phase one beginning of co uh phase two is a a year of Co November yeah November

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and going back to California after a year of shutdowns uh Draconian laws and uh

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tyrannical governance right you all went into the pit and it was pretty amazing

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to see to see the the state with a with a boot on his neck not to get too

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graphic here but um I've got some pretty harsh feelings about well yeah cuz the second time we went out there we were we

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were all masked up and everything thing for the plane which is a long plane ride for for masks and then and then we had

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all all the seating we did or at at dinner and everything was always like outside in the streets like they had the

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the closed off streets that we were sitting in or I know or like if it was cold too cold they had the plastic walls

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it was so silly it was so silly but whatever uh but yeah interesting that's

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that's cool this is a this is definitely a bookended covid project which uh

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hopefully it doesn't get us kicked off YouTube but whatever yeah and y'all are coming from Florida so land of the free during Co here in Florida flying into

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California like the most locked down thing ever yeah nome's Utopia yeah I just remember talking to people over

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there um during that and them saying asking if do you guys go to restaurants

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and St like it was it was so we were like yeah we've been at restaurants for months you know right we never really even shut down here but actually now

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that I think about it I think Phase 2 started at the point in which they were going to bring some services back inside

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and I'm not fully remembering this maybe but they weren't allowed to have Services inside their building for

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months and months and months Church the first the first uh Sunday we they had it outside when we were there for phase two

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they had it in their Courtyard right so we were all out there even though we just did all the install inside yeah that's right so they they

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weren't allowed to go inside uh it was all that stuff uh so this was a project

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this second phase which is the majority of the work we did and that's probably the most we'll we'll go over today but

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we did all that so that essentially they could come into a newer room and kind of have things ready and boom it was a

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great kind of launch back into inside the building which is cool yeah crazy times it feels like Co was

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like a million years ago but it it was just like I don't even know what two years ago yeah when did it end I mean I

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guess for Florida like it was we just had a different life here in Florida with it yeah we had I mean two weeks to

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stop the spread we shut shut down or whatever but not really I'm sure the people in California

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remember it like crazy cuz they truly were shut down for many many months if

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not longer but yeah crazy time all right so we're going to go into this project uh we're

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going to walk you through it show you some design show you uh before middle and after uh pictures videos kind of

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give you a a sense it turned out awesome it was really cool they're a great church man Steve's a great guy his whole

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his crew is awesome uh Pastor is really great there uh they got a really big

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heart for that for that area they're taking care of it um I I like them a lot

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I love that church they their worship team was awesome like Steve can sing and play uh their whole crew was killing it

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so this project turned out awesome um even though Co tried to destroy us we did not let it um but let's go to uh one

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of our sponsors uh probably Crown care yeah uh Luke what's on the street what's on

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on the street what are people saying about Crown care man it's it's taking off you know I think we uh hit our six-month anniversary so uh it's up and

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strong things are figured out and we're just saving the day all over the country so right it's been great so you're

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you're the the first line of defense I'll call it yeah yeah so obviously getting up up and running you got to do

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a your Sho string budget and everything so uh it's been many on call hours um not too many not too many crazy hours um

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at the very beginning you know we have this whole monitoring set up where we we know when when devices go offline at our

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Crown care locations and that kind of backfired a couple times once uh once

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all the access points were updating at 3:00 a.m. and I got a an alert on my phone for every access point that went

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down while it rebooted so the wife wasn't super happy about that one but otherwise I mean I mean it it worked

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that was that was the goal so uh would you say we've had a couple uh clients that were on the fence about having it

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got it and then they went through a scenario like yeah I mean I mean it's it happens all the time it seems like um I

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feel like every month that that we're we have a a member uh they have some some

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experience where it's like all right well now you know they're more sold and more bought in than maybe they were when

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they first tried it out right you're able to jump in and help out and yeah yeah pretty awesome well you heard it

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website all right and back uh thank you Crown care you're amazing and thank you

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Luke for uh managing it so well so there it is uh here we go so we're going to

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jump into this this is the City Church Ventura California um and we're going to just

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jump into it here so we've got I've first I got some picks of the

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pre what it looked like yep the the issues they had I want to go over a little bit of that show you guys what it

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looked like and and really the the reason we went out there so uh let's let's take a look here all right so here

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is a picture of what the room looked like this is it

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it's another wood frame yep tight building yep we do a lot of Renovations

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in these types of buildings starting to learn our way around these things yeah this is like a

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Hershey Kiss wood yeah kind of ceiling thing and they had all these different J

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jut outs like they obviously did not build this building they they got it somehow or uh it was gifted to them or

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or whatever but uh there it's very unique room strange shape kind of like a

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star shape like kind of pushed out to left and right um think you kind of see

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there the sides uh very difficult to kind of figure out how to do designs and

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everything this is uh back of the house so this was um their stage display and that was their camera so that was their

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stream yep if we look here their that was their front of house area which is

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kind of tucked in behind the back wall which if you know

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anything about uh mixing and doing audio you do not want to be in another room

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while you mix you want to try and be in in the same room as the people you're mixing for just there was a time in

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history that when they built all these buildings they did this is what they all look like this they always put them in a

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little closet area yeah there was just I don't know yeah you see that with theaters too where they just have a

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little peephole and this little slider window and yeah that's like the original sound booth of most theaters before they

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probably didn't do much production or something at this time of church history or something and it wasn't that

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important to have them in the room cuz they're they are all like this almost every time I think it would probably

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it's probably aesthetic so they yeah it was more obviously because the way the building looks too right they putting

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all this money into like wood framing and all this Jazz and then what you're going to just drop front of house right

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in the middle of room and like you know I don't know we see it a lot and it's we're we're changing the world one front

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house at a time so um yeah they had some audio issues these are some I don't even

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know what was going on here but they had some some uh side fills and you know it

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was not not the greatest um this was an investment that they made prior to us uh

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being a part of their church and helping out but this is their this was their that's right on the floor it was on

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their floor I forgot so um this was they had made an investment in uh three

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leopards Meer leopards and I think one

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900 uh Meer 900 LFC or whatever their their 18inch uh sub so they in they had

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invested in that um as a PA but they just had on the on the stage floor and

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it didn't work out real well right uh didn't have enough height and obviously and but this was this is a

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first step into trying to get some quality gear um now this system that they they

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got sold it was this PA and then with like an X32 which was like pretty rough

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to me there's different ways of doing it but uh that's what they did they invested in the speakers and we're able to use them again and kind of update it

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and move things around so this was their uh this was their rack this is their

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equipment rack this was backstage this is typical let me say it's pretty typical picture pretty typical uh this

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is the do-it-yourselfer this is the throw it together um buy a buy an analog

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snake off Amazon type deal Y and that's what this is you can see here we have one of the digital snakes in there and

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uh the the Meer processor and you know that this is

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their world for a bit this is their backstage um you can see he a better picture of these uh of the the the

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leopards with the 900 and then they built a little box for it to sit on Y

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which I guess it got off the ground a little bit but um we ended up helping out a lot more with that so so the

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primary reason we got called in was there was a couple different reasons one was they needed an update on their

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stage so they had projection they had these pixel strips as you can see

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um they had uh they had an Old Stage um that needed some updates and

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then like front of house they had that X32 the speakers were on the ground like there's a lot going on I think even

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house lights front lighting we had to we we helped out with uh and they had no real video

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broadcast video set set up so we were tasked with building out a proper

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production Suite rack room and green room so that they could uh do better

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live production and have a better um program to send online and we did that

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phase one yeah phase one was kind of in the room and then phase two was the production suite and everything kind of

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outside the room right so I mean this was this is

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typical too yeah this was that front of house this is like a little side closet that some uh you know good-hearted

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volunteer probably cut out and put it in there and that those are all like HDMI Splitters and video drro and we cleaned

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all that up and gave them new drro for the lobby and everything but that's kind of what they were dealing with it's hard

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like you know we talk we talk to our our clients now and there's a certain level of infrastructure you just need to

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invest in and that's not the funnest it's not fun money to spin nobody sees it like people in the church don't see

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it um a lot of the employees don't even see see it you know just a couple people see it but it's so important to have cuz

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that's that is the typical look you know right there that's the make it happen

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that's the make it happen look which is which is pretty pretty prominent in the in the

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church world I would say most churches are probably in that position and so I guess we see it a lot because we do go

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in and do a lot of upgrades and so we get we get to come in like this at a time when a church is ready to make that

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step up and they're just like please help us out with this help us into the

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new world yeah if a lot of a lot of uh these do-it-yourselfers these churches

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they they do their best and they get things going but like these HDMI I mean how many of these HDMI splits have we

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taken out Luke I mean they're the worst part they're always the weakest link in any system and I mean HDMI is just a

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whole a whole issue in itself but uh yeah those Splitters it's usually like the cheapest one you find on Amazon and

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it's it's going to 16 different places so that's probably the pro you can get

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them so cheap and easy yeah so anybody can just go on Amazon and look for an HDMI splitter and get it for 20 bucks or

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something right so that's all that's the fix a lot of times which is you can only split it so many times I

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mean yeah the issue with HDMI is that it's it's prosumer like they built it to

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try and make things easy but in a scenario like this you're dealing with

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uh what are you dealing with you're dealing with with edid information htcp hdcp um scaling scaling the TVs are

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liking it or not liking it resolutions are flying around like it's supposed to make your life easier but it does not

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make your life easier when it goes wrong yeah cable length issues I mean yeah HDMI you only go what

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50 ft 50 ft or something like that and yeah and we've seen longer cables all the time oh you get into the fiber and

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directional hdmis that are hit or miss too so much easy to get and it is

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prosumer or consumer really yeah um it ends up in a lot of churches for sure

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because of the price and the ease of just making it happen yep yeah that's that's what we typically see and end up

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ripping out which feels good yep yeah so they had a lot of issues they had a lot

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of old gear thrown together gear do it-yourself gear and uh you know parts of it were falling apart parts of it

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weren't working and it was time for for some Crown design magic that's what I call it

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so so these pictures come from like a first site visit you did right you FW out there yep I flew out there um met

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with Steve I I so I had known Steve too from right from uh we just know him from

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Bayside too I mean just from the or the T we were in like worship groups and stuff like that the table Yeah well he

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was at um Church on the Rock Church on the Rock yeah paletto yeah and yeah so we had we had talked to him we hadn't

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done any projects there though but he he got got connected with us again when he went over there cuz they really needed some help and um and so yeah he brought

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me out or us out I went and we chatted through all this took measurements like tried to figure out what they're going

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to do and started to work through um some design so let me show you the

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design that we're working on Boom okay so here are some Concepts

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that we had and um the idea was to give them some so

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all this all these bulkheads and stuff that are in the room like they they had a little bit of lighting in it but they they're kind of in the way like they

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weren't helping anything right I think they actually built out their backstage too

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so like they added to their stage a little bit so they had a little bit more depth on stage so what we did was we

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came up with this concept of doing LED wall and a truss structure that we could

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um hang the LED walls on uh we didn't do the drum cage did we

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we used to we built we did not do that no uh we designed the stage so let's take a look through here youall jump in

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if you see anything here's some concept drawings for their production Suite over

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here their audio control booth that we designed and then a green room that's

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off the side of the audio control room that could be used as a tracking or a live room uh podcast whatever but then

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also just a place for the band to hang out uh in between services so if we look at the floor plan here look at that just

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a it's a square room in an angle that's what it

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is so we also took the front of house area and moved it out front so that they

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get a little bit of in the room sound right um that was a big thing for

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them uh you can see here this was this is the obviously the auditorium and then

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this was the addition here so this was a kitchen and all this other stuff and they had to completely demo this area

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for the production Suite Rack Room uh media Suite or audio control and then

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this this scen room here so if you look here we kind of laid out the the production Suite uh for all

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the positions audio control as well um let me see here some elevations

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of those rooms some stage stuff we had some U stage wedges

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installed in the in the in the floor y it's kind of cool elevation so we were going to hang

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the speakers as well we got them a couple more speakers so they have four 900s I think that's the front of house

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area um design and drawings or whatever some of

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them um I don't know if there's anything else cool in this oh rack

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assignments um for all the for all the custom desks and custom panels and all

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this stuff man so yeah all right well

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that's the design and now we can go to some of the install stuff so most of

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that design and construction stuff happened we weren't there obviously we're in Florida right so we're trying

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to manage all that from across the country right using Steve as a as a Eyes On The Ground basically right in that

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location dealing with the electrician who happen to be good you guys remember the I remember you guys talking about the electrician yeah the electrician was

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kind of the the uh was the the GC on the project he did a lot of stuff uh he's

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the best I wish I knew his name he's the best GC we've probably ever worked with cuz he actually I mean it was like I'll

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be done in two days and you're like all right whatever be done but he really was or he was done ahead of time and really

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helped like team player guy kind of reminded him reminded of us you know he

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was a member and he had one helper that was you know he was doing electrician stuff one day and then painting the next

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day right just the two of them knocking it out taking down the the old screen they rebuilt the stage rebuilding the

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stage and yeah they were awesome man they were uh hard hardworking dudes yeah

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um he he's like he he was doing some cool projects on the side of that too so he was he did a ton of superar like

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Tesla superchargers that was his thing so that was like his big contract and so

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he was doing the stuff on the side just to help the church yeah um but really great to work with he got it all done on

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time exactly to spec any issues he's found in the in the walls or whatever during the Renault he just took care of

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like it wasn't like a big headache sometimes you find these builders that they're looking for an issue just to

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like just to delay something just to Del SAR that's what it is yeah it's the culture for some reason that we deal

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with a lot but but uh yeah this guy was awesome I wish I knew remember his name I remember uh I remember walking in with

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his shirt can y'all see this shirt yeah so this is our our Crown Design Group

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loves America shirt right um and I walk in and he goes he goes y'all can wear

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those in in Florida and I'm like yeah dude he's like man he's like can't wear that stuff

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around here I'm like are you kidding me is California that jacked up that they can't see an American flag and then he I

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look at his hat and his logo he has a he has an American flag like with his logo as well yeah and I was like okay well

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you're you're you're Patriot right you're you love this country and everything and he's like heck yeah he's like I'm I'm a I'm aware it all the time

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but people are going to give you weird looks around here that's so weird to me dude I mean how did the American flag turn into a political issue I mean

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that's the thing that's supposed to unite us all no matter who you are what you believe that's a uniting symbol

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guess not it's just state to state man it's so it's so different it's I mean

30:05

not to talk bad on California but by the way we still get this was two days ago

30:12

oh my goodness we still get paperwork from the state of California saying we owe we still owe taxes for this job that

30:18

we did in 2019 by the way that we've paid multiple times and oh you forgot to pay this tax oh you forgot to pay this

30:24

one so now you're going to get a penalty too so you got to pay that oh you waited too long to pay it now this penalty oh

30:30

now you need to pay this tax it hasn't stopped by the way this 2 2024 we got that two days ago saying that we still

30:36

owe like $3,500 in taxes what how's that possible that's unbelievable it doesn't end that's not true that can't be true

30:42

it's made me never want to work there again sorry Steve or at least we sneak

30:48

in we tried to come in we did it right maybe this was our problem we followed all the rules we went in we followed all

30:54

the rules we got every kind of license whatever we needed and registered for the state the whole thing so we could

31:00

work there properly with the state of California no good no good deed goes unpunished it is you try and do it the

31:06

right way the Govern go Earth government goes oh you're doing it the right way well here you

31:12

go well anyway yeah so um imagine that guy doing Tesla stations of stuff having

31:19

to deal with that every day right unbelievable yeah just working there in general yeah that guy was awesome the

31:24

church had to pay tax by the way I think I unfortunately I think he left the church because of Co stuff he didn't

31:31

like guy was too hardcore he didn't like that they had Services outside they were listening to the state so really that

31:37

that was the reason that was why he left yeah you know everyone has an opinion uh the church they everyone every church I

31:44

know was trying to figure it out it was not an easy time for churches to figure out like okay I mean you saw all the

31:50

churches in like in Canada that they they're going arresting pastors and

31:55

stuff they're like going in during service taking them out and handcuffs like that stuff's like in the media and

32:01

then you're being told you can't have services or six six feet everywhere or you have to do this or testing and blah

32:07

blah blah and these churches everyone I mean businesses everyone but uh

32:12

specifically churches that we were dealing with everyone had a different opinion on it everyone had a different

32:17

stance everyone was trying their best to maneuver through it um it was it was a

32:22

tough time yeah the problem was where you didn't you didn't get to have your

32:28

stance in some states that you just didn't get the option that's where the problem started happening right in

32:35

Florida you could I mean yeah there was a couple weeks or whatever but then if you wanted to open up you could it was kind of your thing in other states like

32:42

California and a lot of other states they just didn't get that option at all and all this whole project ended up it's

32:48

weird phase one and phase two was in this Co world right the media was looking for churches that were gathering

32:56

and then trying to pin like super super spreader uh event happening at this

33:01

church youth group or something like that yeah it was so ridiculous man yeah such

33:07

a I don't know such a weird time right I think we'll look back and look at

33:12

pictures and all that and be a little weirded out by it honestly I hope so I

33:17

hope so I mean we obviously are but right okay let's let's keep on moving so here are some install picks

33:24

um this is a I think this is just this is the rack when we I think we move things around I

33:30

can't remember oh here's some some of the demo stuff that happened inside that

33:37

kitchen um there's a lot of moving parts and

33:42

this is I mean look how horrible this looks but so I think I think you took those pictures in phase one when we were

33:49

visiting doing the first you know inside the auditorium and they were still I mean just starting demo in that kitchen

33:55

area right I think that's when these were from yep it's us working on the design so

34:01

diligently with a you know perfectly placed photo picture in the back and the whole thing and you know looking good

34:07

everyone that's definitely a social media poster there right uh this was when we showed up I think for for phase

34:14

two straight off the plane just walked in we we timed it to where we walked in as their service was ending so we had

34:19

Sunday to Sunday to get it going is one of those things again like the timing right you know so this is a great

34:26

example of what we have to deal with uh working primarily with churches because Sunday

34:32

to Sunday that's it so imagine walking in on a Sunday afternoon after church and it looks like that and then we have

34:39

to change the whole the whole the whole room the other room every single piece of equipment

34:46

needs to work every single piece of equipment needs to be installed programmed wild and we did it so

34:55

barely I mean yeah I think I think uh we were working there about an hour before

35:01

our flight that was a tight one yep we were uh oh that's right

35:08

yeah oh yeah you throw that in the mix being out of state and having flight

35:13

scheduled and not having the right Vehicles there just to run somewhere and grab parts

35:19

that you need or the right tools cuz you can only ship so much or carry on so much in the

35:24

airplane it just adds so many levels to to that on top of just trying to make everything work and happen

35:32

so okay you ready for the I've got some pretty pretty pictures oh yeah so

35:39

boom that's what it looked like this is actually these are these are post phase one so this is after that

35:46

first week in January right this was just in the room what we got uh where we ended up before we headed out yep so uh

35:54

what are we looking at here Ben big LED wall um um and I think we might have

35:59

said it or maybe we didn't but we had to build a trussing structure there for for all that stuff because you saw the the

36:06

root the ceiling in there it it was very difficult to rig anything right um in that room so they wanted to move to LED

36:14

wall obviously we talked about that a lot as well in the podcast but um they

36:19

were able to jump into it we had to figure out how to ground stack it so that's an abon wall they got the the

36:26

69 there in the center for their main graphics and video content and such and

36:31

then we do we call them ribbons on the side just for kind of eye candy y just so there's not black spaces

36:37

but yep so um before we jump into that let's

36:42

let's keep going on video here for for a second so we had I think two different processors one for the center one for

36:47

the sides yep and then we just broke up the the graphics from proes enter across

36:53

both correct and then they could do like custom they could do they could either use the same Imes for the center on the

36:59

sides or they could send it something different something different yeah so that way they could do custom

37:05

graphics even if they wanted to on those ribbons they could do cool little vertical things with their Graphics yep

37:10

pretty cool setup yeah you can see here that we we flew the PA so we flew the

37:16

three leopards per side um can you look up the other speakers that we got because I think I'm seen some front fills here I forget which ones we used

37:23

um we have the three leopards per side flown that so difficult to figure that

37:29

room out man oh my goodness and like the best place to put those it was very difficult but I mean it was way better

37:35

than on the stage floor we add so we added two 900s y so they had four 900s on the

37:42

floor and then there's a up junr in there I don't know where that was we had two up cill or something like that or we

37:49

I think we had two they had a they had a up Jor as a center fill I believe oh and so we added an additional one we added

37:55

one and then we had two uh out fills so gotcha somewhere around here somewhere

38:02

behind this because that room just kind of jot juts out on this side there's

38:07

just no way of getting the coverage on the speaker so we did some out fills those are the

38:13

Juniors um and then we had the front fills are those 4 XPS um I don't see them on here yeah oh

38:21

yeah 4 XPS yep yep 4 XPS uh on the stage uh so yeah this this room ended up

38:29

sounding really good I these leopards a great PA they're one of my favorite line arrays man I've said it for years they

38:36

are one of my favorite line arrays they sound amazing they're very powerful uh

38:41

low power consumption right um I like them a lot they are very Meer meaning

38:49

they're very flat that's their whole thing Myers's big thing is sound in like a microphone sound out of a speaker

38:56

right so uh you know I like having a I'd rather have a flat speaker than a

39:01

speaker that pumps a bunch of these weird frequencies to try and make things sound better like or like try and make

39:07

things sound louder like you know to have a different SPL uh reading but meer

39:12

is pretty flat and you have for us you musically tune it so that it sounds a little bit more musical that's kind of

39:19

what you do but you have all that chunk of sound there to work with you can carve out of that out of that chunk or

39:26

you can paint on that c right sonically so yeah PA sounded great we

39:33

also updated uh their console to a dive so that's a what was that c3500 I

39:39

believe so so had c3500 um and a DM something or other in

39:47

the rack 48 CDM 48 CDM 48 so this is Alan this is Allen Heath's uh

39:55

Flagship console right or they have an S-Class the S-Class and the C-Class are

40:00

exactly the same sonically close to the same in sizes for

40:07

surfaces I think the only difference with the S-Class stuff versus the CDM

40:13

stuff is hot swappable power supplies and additional card slots I think that's

40:20

it does it sound right to you Luke I mean I think so yeah we we don't really do s-classes in churches it's more of a

40:26

two or grade uh style yeah having those hot swappable yeah power supplies that's a typical

40:32

thing on tour because you're out somewhere you're using dirty power something funny happens you want to have

40:38

an extra power supply just to quickly throw in power supply dies on this puppy you're you're sending the whole thing

40:45

in we've we've we have we had a we had a

40:52

DM uh have a we had a DM 64

40:57

have a power supply die once we did have that remember no yeah we had it with

41:02

action Church oh yeah and we had to get that's right we had to and we had to get

41:08

the power supply and it was very expensive I not ideal not ideal but you

41:13

could do it it's end up being cheaper than having to ship a whole console and to get fixed right so so this was the uh

41:20

the X32 to a dive that ain't bad people it's a pretty good jump that's a pretty good jump

41:28

um there is the uh I think that's a phoenix drum en closure I like those y

41:34

especially on a on a on a stage where you have so much LED like yeah the with

41:41

as much plexiglass as there you get the option of seeing through it which is

41:46

right nice fill it up with LED stuff behind it yeah that's it that is a phoenix I remember talking to him about

41:52

that um back when we were talking about this

41:58

right so good looking good looking stage now I liked it so here's some rack stuff

42:04

so those are some uh processors for the LED wall they've got their uh their

42:10

video Hub router their ATM switcher bunch of mics and dros so this is so they went from that

42:17

last rack backstage a little you know U to uh you know to a nice looking rack

42:23

here and I think their mics were at front of house before too I saw the antenna in that first sight pick that that would make sense yeah oh yeah so

42:30

now it's all racked in one place and it's looking good okay so this is actually their

42:36

audio control room so this is where they mix their broadcast mix if you don't

42:44

know typically if you can mixing an independent mix for your online service

42:50

is best uh you can try and get lucky with setting up your left and right from

42:56

your from your front of house like from your main room but having that that

43:01

extra detail control for online and essentially for a phone it just turns into an iPhone right like most people

43:08

are watching these services on an iPhone so being able to listen to that monitor that reference that is very

43:13

important um especially during this time because this was Co this is co and all

43:20

they had was their online that's all anybody has when we supect it when we quoted it it was 2019 so they were not I

43:26

mean they they just got it perfect time it wasn't it worked out this whole thing worked out for them I'll tell you that

43:31

cuz right you saw the you saw the before pictures they were not set up for a

43:36

great online streaming setup of video or audio and then it turned into the worst

43:43

case scenario so I'm glad they did it yep so this was their audio control room

43:48

and they ran a Protools rig so we have some of those surfaces y um you know

43:54

what surfaces those are S1 s1's so two S1 on mhm they connect together nicely I

43:59

I think it's like magnets yeah oh yeah I remember that and they're running

44:05

um we had an interface in here too right yeah there you go so this room was

44:12

actually dual use they use it for mixing their broadcast mix for live

44:19

for service for online but they also write and record during the week mhm um the own songs

44:27

their own production whatever and so they also wanted to utilize this room for tracking for mixing uh not just

44:35

broadcast but for Studio Projects right so we gave them here uh an API lunch box

44:43

with a bunch of PR uh different colored PR different um solutions for for

44:50

microphones and everything so that they could track uh you have the models on those like yep these are all 500 series

44:59

API The Lunchbox makes things pretty easy because then you can just swap out

45:05

whatever modules you want yeah an AP I can't see my vision so bad API

45:11

1500 um which is something we have a solid state logic uh

45:19

pre API 512c yep we have a rert KN

45:25

design 5'11 yep nice two of each of those and then there's two slots at the

45:31

end we had one I think that was the only thing that was backordered and didn't arrive before the end of that job the

45:37

mid we have a Midas pre on here too Midas 502 that would have been it yeah it's probably what yeah it's not there

45:44

so you put a bunch of those PR in in this uh lunch box and it kind of powers

45:49

the whole powers every unit and then you have io on the back side of it all that's going into their interface here

45:54

so they can they had two setups they had the setup for for live broadcast and then they had set up for tracking mixing

45:59

have a bunch of wave stuff on here too did they do waves in here or did they not do it I don't see May been after the

46:06

fact yeah but um yeah this is the audio control room it turned out awesome um it

46:13

was clean and clear in there uh sounding good they have a multiv view there to be able to watch service and see what's

46:20

coming up um we had a a Focus right

46:27

um monitor controller so that's actually Dante yeah that's the am2 so it just takes in Dante and then that's what's

46:33

driving their nearfields so that's going through our DSP for for uh room EQ and

46:40

also for Source selection so that they can send different things to that to those speakers too right is that it do

46:47

you remember I'm sure of it I can't remember I can remember but yeah that's the audio

46:52

control room turned out turned out real nice um we have a network switch there I think all of the interconnects between

47:00

all these different um sources was Dante so that's why we had the Dante

47:05

controller and we we sourced all that furniture too yep arasy console yep um

47:10

we did sound panels too yep did sound panels uh did everything yeah it's all

47:18

us and then we're here in the in the other produ and right beside that room is the production Suite here and this is

47:24

where we have all these different positions for the room do you remember all the positions Luke yep so the back

47:30

left there that was their Graphics one position so they had a graphics two at front of house but they primarily you

47:36

know Sunday morning they're running from propresenter on Graphics one there yep and then that's their Tape Op uh where

47:43

you are now on the back right so that's where they're kind of monitoring their their live stream feed so do you remember what they were using when we

47:49

when we first did this I think they were doing like box cast or something or maybe uh you know just OBS solution um

47:57

and they've since done resi I think we we took them over to resi but but during this install it was like a web a

48:02

Blackmagic web presenter uh to get them into the computer through OBS and everything um and then on the front desk

48:10

uh in the center is the sorry that's all right video director is in the center so

48:17

they got their a panel yep then left over there is the camera engineer so

48:22

they got their rcps and they have a they have a good 4k monitor right in front of them that they can switch the input to

48:29

so they can get uh you know whatever they're working on they can make that their their own personal input to to do

48:34

any shading that they need to those are scar Hoy rcps yep and those are controlling the

48:42

uh those are the Panasonic Evas that that we installed here so they had two

48:48

of them going I think they've they I think they use a couple Roman cameras too I think they're Sony's though but um

48:53

yeah so you can see here they have some Scopes look at the coloring they have uh a router controller here for this screen

49:00

essentially so that they can bring up different cameras on the go or different sources and take a look at

49:06

them um then was there a position over here or no I can't remember I can't

49:11

remember it's really dark you can see they're they're Cal we use a Greeno Network or Comm over IP Solutions

49:19

there um you have to see their multiv views there so yeah this this room

49:24

turned out nice um this is outside I think we put an put an IO

49:31

panel um that's a cool before and after yeah so that was the phase one uh the

49:37

Sunday to Sunday we did yep so that was when we walked in was the first picture and then essentially when we walked out

49:42

was a second wow yeah it's crazy one week people seven days yeah less than

49:49

seven days I mean we haven't even seen the pictures of all the lighting that we put in on that trussing I think in the the photos earlier we were kind of

49:55

highlighting the LED wall but all that trusting has has Lighting on it some blinders some truss warmers yep uh we

50:02

did all new front lighting I believe um the house lighting I think they already had color pendants and I just remember I

50:08

think we rerouted they had like a DMX coming from front of house and we we rerouted that to to join our network but

50:15

gotcha this is their this is a green room right beside the audio control room so we put a little bit of a treatment in

50:22

there just to cut it down a bit I don't know if they've used it for tracking but it's it's a cool hangout room yeah we

50:27

put a panel in there we put an input panel mhm right so they have they have

50:32

input I/O between this room and the studio so that they can essentially just plug right into the wall and then they

50:38

can route it on one of the pr and then push it through Pro uh Pro

50:45

Tools let's take a look see can find that camera

50:52

again did I miss all this stuff oh it's way up here my bad

51:01

there we go there we go so yeah this is the camera setup it was a an

51:06

Eva uh which is pan one of Panasonic's uh Cinema

51:12

cameras uh with a bunch of rig on it it's got

51:17

um what's that uh Iris control the focus and Iris I just trying to

51:23

remember tilt tilta tilta maybe is that tilta and then Canon lens all the autra

51:30

mall ozen uh camera thing see you know cameras are so strange because these

51:37

manufacturers like Panasonic just that camera body like it doesn't work on its own so they go around trying to sell

51:43

this little camera body for the image but they don't have lensing I mean panon has lenses but they don't have like

51:49

Cinema lenses or uh you know broadcast Cinema lenses right so it's so strange

51:55

that you get this you get a company that puts out a camera body and then you you have you you pay more in third party

52:02

items to get the camera working than you do for the camera body yeah way more it's it's the body is like a third of

52:09

the price a lot of times and then the rest of your pricing is everything else just to make it make the body work right

52:15

some some scenarios we have we'll have a $5,000 camera body right uh connected to

52:23

a $70,000 lens right and that's not uncommon right crazy but uh the the

52:32

claim of these these cameras are we've we've put a bunch of these cameras in all over the place this was the time

52:38

where people were the whole Cinema thing was starting to like push into churches

52:43

right they wanted that Cinema Vibe but like in a broadcast scenario right well and churches are moving to LED walls so

52:50

true all of a sudden quality is in that's right yeah so these the these

52:56

cameras boast a lot of features that um that broadcast cameras require but you

53:03

can also set them up to have different looks so variable frame rate is the big is the big deal if uh if you know

53:11

anything about video and standards like with switchers everything has to be the same standard meaning if you're running

53:17

1080p60 like every source needs to be 1080p60 for it to get inside of the switcher without scaling right and that

53:24

way everything's clocked and timed and looking good together um but you might

53:30

not want the look of a 1080 60p uh look like camera look so these

53:36

cameras have a variable frame rate which means you can set them up to look like a 24 frame like like uh like Cinema it

53:44

looks like a movie we're used to looking at 24 frames film that's what film was 24 frames a second and so you can take

53:51

these cameras and change that to a 24 or 2997 or whatever you want in between and

53:56

and it will still push out a physical signal at 1080p60 for your for

54:03

the rest of your broadcast right but it will look like it's 24 frames right and uh what people we have bunch of

54:11

different churches that do this scenario and they will usually have like a 24

54:16

frame look during worship right would you say MH and then like during the message they'll want to look more like

54:21

broadcast so they'll they'll click a button or they'll use the RCP

54:26

to change from uh you know 24 frame look to 60p look

54:34

right so yeah so that those are the cameras so we did two cameras in

54:40

here uh just uh we did a tight Center and a wide Center and then they had a roaming I think that they just kind of

54:46

used on their own but um yeah so those are the pretty pictures um I've got some

54:52

launch pictures too but I want to kind of talk a little bit about getting this thing going

54:59

I mean I think I mean both were crazy I remember phase two I think we we clocked 80 hours in in a 40 hour work

55:06

week yeah phase two is was a doozy but I mean phase one was also in its own right

55:12

I mean was crazy because of all the network issues and everything so right so let's get into that AV networks oh my

55:20

goodness um we have had to turn into it nerds we've had to turn into

55:29

Network people we're audio guys we're lighting

55:34

guys we're video dudes and now we have to deal with network switches all the time and it's only over the last like I

55:40

was going to say it's standard now standard now I mean it is what it is but then 2019 or whatever this was 2020 2019

55:49

or 20 I mean you didn't have some stuff just wasn't on network at at that point

55:55

even but it was changing over and so there was that was the big learning time

56:02

right where you know we had to figure that stuff out particularly on this job

56:08

right so we had in phase one we had implemented a simple Network just for

56:14

some minor Communications y um so we put it like I think a network switch at front of house and one in the back in in

56:21

the rack and that was just for minimal communication between things but we were also connected to their Network which we

56:28

didn't have much control over I mean we still had we we implemented all of cusis in the main room on that Network we did

56:35

oh and we had the Dante Network going for all everything dive was talking to CIS and all that audio routing so I mean

56:43

it was It was kind of Hefty on that first trip because that's that's when all the all the chaos broke out with those Dell switches I was going to say

56:48

this was the trip with the switches right and no phase two that was phase well we had we had Chaos on both but but

56:54

the first one was was also an issue cuz that's what we stuck around for after service remember the night before

57:01

service and the whole a that for service yeah okay that was phase one phase one first service okay all right let's let's

57:07

let's get into this yeah what network switch did we have that for that so we had some Dell switch that was supposed

57:15

to be provisioned by JIS this is it this is it a bunch of money to get these

57:20

certain switches that were supposed to be set up and provisioned by ready to go

57:25

QSC or cus whatever to help us to make it easier so we we went down that road to save some time and money not save

57:32

money save some time hopefully and headache right but it wasn't the case right so we got these Dell switches

57:40

which were supposed to be Plug and Play Plug and Play ready to go a provision

57:46

perfectly for qan Dante everything in between and uh we just wanted this

57:53

project to go smoothly yeah the time crunch and everything out of state like

57:58

flights the whole thing it had to kind of had to happen in a certain amount of time right so what do we do we got the

58:06

best the best thing that uh bit the bullet got the good got the expensive

58:11

switches that were set up and ready to go and we plugged them all in and we got

58:16

it working during that first phase one week where we're doing uh the installs and stuff and this is your first week oh

58:23

yeah I knew nothing about networks or I mean really anything and you're just walking around like what

58:28

are we doing here yeah I mean I was the Home Depot Runner and trying to grab all these things I have no idea what they

58:35

are I had I had some funny photos of like you know go get some J Hooks I don't know what that is I came back with

58:40

like came back with like the hooks you you hang your bike by in the garage I like J Hooks like well those work I

58:47

don't know yeah so you were like brand new oh yeah so I'm I'm getting to witness all this uh firsthand as as you're pulling

58:53

your hair out so right so we put in the switches we get everything going and then this is Saturday night yeah

59:00

Saturday night they have their first rehearsal yep so this is the first rehearsal with uh new

59:06

console um what else do we do for that first Ser I mean everything it was a new LED wall new lighting for phase one for

59:13

phase one yeah because everything in the room so we did Vista and and they I think they were using Vista before but

59:19

we added all that Lighting on the truss M all the new front lighting right um all the LED walls were in and and

59:26

trussing um the stage was technically new um so all new floor pockets all new inputs IO full full Dante everything

59:33

like that right so okay so we got these special switches that are going to make our lives super easy and just you know

59:40

Plug and Play is going to be awesome yay I can't wait it's going to be awesome and we plug it all in and all week it

59:46

worked great everything was perfectly fine there uh Saturday night so the

59:51

night before the first service this is Phase One ban comes out starts doing

59:56

some line check like Yay oh things are sounding good yay great and all of a sudden Network starts dropping I'm like

1:00:03

what the heck is going on right now and Network's dropping and then I'm like oh

1:00:09

crap and all these bands coming in pastors are there to hear everything it's like it's the the great you know

1:00:15

showing off the project and our Network's dropping our Network's dying

1:00:20

so I'm looking around I'm going we got to get through this rehearsal so we what do we do we literally grabb the Dum

1:00:26

switch well Austin Keegan started pulling cable across the floor right making custom custom TI lines to the

1:00:32

stage just direct patching basically we had a couple cables that they ran real quick and terminated and then landed on

1:00:39

a dummy switch and we're just going through different dummy switches trying to trying to get signal from off of the

1:00:45

main Network yep we've learned a lot since then right so so we we had to do

1:00:52

that right in the thick of it right in the middle of rehearsal yep everything was looked like it was perfectly great

1:00:58

all week but what ended up happening was that extra bandwidth having all

1:01:04

that audio streaming over the networks took it down those switches were not

1:01:10

ready for Dante I guess yeah well I don't think I mean that was before you

1:01:16

know that was all all the multicast settings and everything and all the qos like none of that had been kind of set

1:01:22

up and this was I mean this is kind of the beginning of the industry standard of D so so you know we're coming from

1:01:27

all this you know where gig a and slink are are kind of just direct you know one toone connections and now there's no

1:01:35

guides for Dante really out there there not like switch I mean now you can find like guides for your specific model of

1:01:41

switch and it's it's easy just follow the guide but but back then there were no guides and it's like that's why we

1:01:46

got the switch we had and we didn't really know why it worked at the time so when it didn't what can you do you you

1:01:54

kind of go back to just okay well let's let's start direct connecting some stuff and right seeing if we can get it to

1:01:59

work so that night so after that first rehearsal this is Saturday night we had the whole band there we got through

1:02:05

rehearsal like we got enough you know line checks and they played some songs and it sounded good and all that but it

1:02:12

was not through our the network we set up we cables run across the room all this stuff and so that night I remember

1:02:21

we sat there all night trying to fix it all night lit literally all night uh I

1:02:27

was on the phone with some dude in Thailand that he was the tech expert for

1:02:33

that switch and he was walking me through the whole thing trying to figure it out and

1:02:38

he couldn't figure it out I mean for hours and hours and hours all night uh trying to test all these different qos

1:02:45

settings test different vlans all this stuff what was supposed to be plug

1:02:50

andplay was not and we were up all night I think we went back to the what what

1:02:58

did we do yeah we got McDonald's at like 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. which which was Pacific time so when we were pulling you

1:03:04

in on FaceTime you're 3 hours later yeah I was in Florida Ben was yeah you were in Florida and you were helping us I had

1:03:10

not yet met Ben because first week but we it was yeah it was 4:00 or 5 a.m. in

1:03:16

Florida when we were talking yeah we we worked till probably 4:00 a.m. got some

1:03:22

McDonald's it did not taste very good nothing tastes good at 4:00 a.m. not even went back to the haunted house Airbnb we had um forgot how could you

1:03:32

forget you know um oh my goodness the one where the one where Keegan's Windows all blew open he had like three walls of

1:03:38

Windows and they all blew open in the middle of the night yeah that was like the only Airbnb we could find a Ventura yep we it was so expensive so expensive

1:03:46

and it was like an old it was like a historical building y it was like I had

1:03:52

a I had a little like vanity sink in the in the bedroom like right beside the bed

1:03:58

it's like that's old SCH that's right your your sink was in your room it was in my room and you had your bathroom just off the room but it just the toilet

1:04:05

very strange very strange yeah that was a good one and oh my goodness that's

1:04:11

that's the uh that's the time when I had an I had an issue I had an issue on my back oh yeah

1:04:20

I don't know if I want to gross everyone out out should we give give the PG version of it there there's a a slight

1:04:26

medical emergency that happened at the house oh my goodness well actually it started on the way over there yep all

1:04:33

right we're going to get into this this might be a little too much information to this is the life of an integrator this is the the flashy life of an

1:04:40

integrator um on the on the flight over on the plane like I felt something in my

1:04:45

back it was like bugging me I was like what the heck is on my back dude and uh

1:04:50

we land and like we're working and then I I remember like being inside the rack the equipment rack

1:04:56

and like putting some stuff up and I push back and the edge of the rack hit

1:05:01

my back right on this spot and I almost fainted like I was just like oh my goodness what's going on it hurts so bad

1:05:09

and I remember like I remember going into like the restroom like pulling up my shirt and I had like a like an

1:05:15

ingrown hair or something and it was like a like an infected bump on my back yeah he was like I was being cursed it

1:05:23

was like a job moment where here doing this install and like my back is hurting like crazy and I'm it's in I'm in so

1:05:30

much pain I'm like oh my goodness I got to get this fixed I got to like I was calling like uh I was calling who'd you

1:05:36

bring in well at first I called like doctors and like uh general surgeons and

1:05:41

stuff to see if I could like find a place and get in like cut me open and fix me like I can't even think right now

1:05:47

like every every my shirt hurt like everything hurt and everyone I talked to like well

1:05:52

yeah you got to come in have an appointment then we'll we'll see what it is and then we'll we'll get you a

1:05:59

general surgeon to do whatever and I was like that's not that's not an option I need to we need action I I I can't get

1:06:06

through this week like this so what I do I went to my brother

1:06:14

Keegan and uh and I said Keegan uh you're my brother I need your help with

1:06:22

something he's like what do you need help with I'm like I need you look at my back and I pull up my shirt and he's

1:06:28

like okay yeah it doesn't look very happy right now I'm like well I think you're going

1:06:34

to have to cut me open and figure something out what's that called Lance when you Lance is it called a lance when

1:06:41

you when you cut a wound open so it can release I think it's called Lance oh my goodness this I can't believe I'm

1:06:47

telling the story it's horrible well that night Keegan's like yeah man I'll I'll do whatever you need me to do man

1:06:52

I'm like okay thanks so these two slip out after Austin are asleep oh and Payton pton was with us pton shout out

1:06:59

pton bu y so all of us are just fast asleep in our haunted house and you and

1:07:05

Keegan sneak out to CVS to get some some medical supplies yeah I got like blades

1:07:11

I got iodine I got needles I got uh swabs gloves pain some pain pain

1:07:18

medication AKA 12pack of something or other and uh yeah it was horrible man uh

1:07:27

we used ice to try and numb my back and then Keegan just got cutting and proding

1:07:34

and poking and ripping at it and tried to fix me up and uh it was very painful

1:07:41

in the haunted house in the haunted house in the middle of the night yep uh but Keegan did it he had uh it was

1:07:49

horrible man it was horrible he helped me out he had to help me out like two nights like the the first night I was like oh I felt so much better and then

1:07:55

the next D like it still hurts and then he helped me out more well so we got back to the Airbnb probably 10:00 p.m.

1:08:00

that night and you know we all go to bed like usual and then the next morning I think I opened the fridge and there's

1:08:06

just an empty case of beer and I'm like we got home at 10 p.m. I we had no idea

1:08:11

anything happened right and then we got the story yeah I'm like I think I remember y'all coming into the family room and I

1:08:18

was like y'all want to hear what happened last night like well Keegan cut my back open

1:08:24

and it worked so thank you Keegan or my general surgeon had to

1:08:30

happen well that has nothing to do with the install itself but that happened on the road and it sucked man and oh that

1:08:37

that really did suck but I'm I'm better it worked cut me open whatever so so

1:08:42

yeah I guess that that came from yeah we got back at to this haunted house at 4:00 a.m. okay that was yeah so that was

1:08:48

on the last Saturday the last Saturday different night my back is been drained ripped open cut open and stitched up and

1:08:54

the whole thing y just chunk of chunk of a wood in my

1:08:59

mouth and uh and so yeah that that last night we went home for like an hour hour

1:09:05

came back at 6:00 a.m. I think and I was just praying that all the stuff we we we

1:09:12

put together for the to get the whole thing going because we have to go get through service Sunday's coming it's there and uh the network failed but we

1:09:20

have to figure this out and keep it going yeah and we did we got through it

1:09:25

we we just I I forget what the we had a a semi Solution by the time we left but

1:09:31

it was like that morning kind of limp mode but we got through it right we got it we got it up to a point where we

1:09:37

could uh where we got through service F went well we knew it wasn't the permanent solution but right we trust

1:09:44

well we were praying that this was the solution to get us through the morning so right and so yeah that was phase one

1:09:51

y phase one we did all that um and we stuck around after service and tried spend every every minute we had before

1:09:58

our flights to kept working on the network and everything right right yeah I can't remember what we were doing

1:10:04

but yeah it was it the switches were not provisioned correctly that's what it was they were not pro they were not plug

1:10:10

andplay they weren't provision correctly and now you talk to them about that they they say oh yeah we knew or like we're

1:10:17

we're working on it still and I'm like wow thanks for having nothing to fall back on other projects or history of

1:10:25

Network stuff was like a a killer for that whole thing yeah like now I mean

1:10:31

it's been what 5 years almost since then so the amount of networks and stuff that's happened since then we've probably seen almost everything that can

1:10:37

happen so you can like go through those files in your head and recall information to make fixes and make it

1:10:43

happen but on this it was so new and you know there just wasn't we didn't have

1:10:50

people to even call you know or or past projects to even think of or

1:10:56

I remember being I was just Googling stuff at home I didn't even know what I was Googling I was just trying to Google stuff in the middle of the night in

1:11:03

Florida um but yeah pretty nuts before that point uh all these all these

1:11:10

different all our customers had uh an it dude or something right and so we were

1:11:15

always working with them right and typically they could figure things out and get things going yeah it was more on

1:11:20

them more on them there's a transition period this is probably the beginning of that transition period where more items

1:11:27

are on networks there's more Demand on the networks for AV right and so we decided that we'd take on some of these

1:11:34

Network roles nowadays we just do it all we do all the network we only have we know more about these networks and

1:11:40

integrating AVL items in your typical it management company right yeah just a lot

1:11:46

of really specific settings and details for things like Dante where I mean even back then I remember the same thing I

1:11:52

was like I'm calling Garrett wants me to call these companies and be like hey you have a switch for Dante like what's Dante you know just that's that was

1:11:59

where we were at the time but even now yeah now it's now we understand how sensitive and uh breakable Dante and all

1:12:06

these other AVL specific Protocols are that um it's it's a lot easier just to

1:12:12

to take it in and I mean everything we do now is on the network so right we have these robust networks now it's um

1:12:18

everything's got to communicate with each other so absolutely it kind of yeah it kind of that's the force of I think

1:12:24

across the landscape is that well everything's network based now so you just that has to become part of your

1:12:30

part of your repertoire yep got to be a nerd got to be an IT nerd all of a sudden you can't be a cool audio guy just like yeah sounds awesome man it's

1:12:36

like oh IP rest is wrong but uh yeah so we got them going and we got it to limp

1:12:43

mode and they were good Y and they were good for the whole year like we did some stuff remotely or whatever and fix

1:12:49

things up but they're good to go so coming into phase two we we knew where

1:12:55

those switches were that they were like we didn't know why they were working necessarily we did enough stuff to make it work and stable but but we had a year

1:13:04

of development I mean even the industry had a year of development to where well now there's a new Switch that is you

1:13:10

know the the C The Cisco SG series is that now that's the Dante switch that's

1:13:15

what everyone's using right so we came prepared in Phase 2 to try and clean all

1:13:22

that stuff up we had to add things anyways to the Network cuz we were adding in the production suite and the

1:13:28

uh the audio control room and so we were like we came in with a plan we came in with uh new

1:13:34

switches uh we we we did like training for the switches we did uh we we pulled

1:13:40

in some third party it people to like help us set them up we did everything we

1:13:45

did everything right again so phase one we did the right thing by buying the preconfigured switch that doesn't work

1:13:51

yep phase two we come in even more prepared with these new switches and then guess what it was a

1:13:59

nightmare again we were on phase two now trying to

1:14:05

get this whole thing going and once again our Dante network

1:14:11

is looking good all week right we had I had like music playing from YouTube

1:14:17

that's right across every single iio was that one it was that one study music chop chill hop chillhop 247 for a week

1:14:25

chill hop Autumn Edition you find a picture I'll send it to you Ben then throw it in there cuz it's actually some

1:14:31

good stuff man I like that background listening all week everyone's job was just to listen for an audio dropout and

1:14:36

it was the same chill hop play it 247 to

1:14:41

be conclusive that this thing is solid and ready to go I still hear it in my dreams it's crazy yeah we in while we

1:14:47

doing all the other install items while we were like putting in the custom desks which by the way we didn't even talk

1:14:53

about it like in the production Suite those were custom um built uh AV consoles that's right so

1:14:59

we had I think that was American Technical Furniture mhm that was the one that was uh stuck at the warehouse so we

1:15:05

had to get a moving truck you remember that right we had to rent a moving yeah they're like oh yeah we were like where

1:15:11

where is this thing it's supposed to be here and then they're like oh yeah it's stuck here we can't bring it we're like we need it tomorrow dude so we we rented

1:15:17

a can we come pick it up yep we did yeah um while we're doing all that stuff we

1:15:23

have chillhop playing in the background 247 just the same songs over and over

1:15:28

again for days and you got accustomed to the songs and so you'd be like you know

1:15:34

kind of doing this while you're doing some programming and then you'd hear a little and you be

1:15:39

like was that the Dante Network dropping and it was like that all week and it' be

1:15:45

little crunchy stuff sounds little things that popped up little artifacts and really I mean what it was

1:15:52

was uh was uh ma Grand what do they call them now leaders Grand leader what are they

1:15:59

call now not master leaders and followers yeah leaders and followers Masters and slaves didn't make it to

1:16:04

2024 wokeness has made its way into Dante whatever um but yeah we'd listen

1:16:12

for those sounds and it's we started hearing it so we were doing all

1:16:17

everything we could we we doing everything was configured correctly everything was perfectly right and we started hearing that issue back on the

1:16:23

phone with the overseas tech support yep back over different switch though so now

1:16:29

we're with the Cisco guys right trying to figure it out knows what Dante is still we're on the phone with uh the DSP

1:16:37

company we're on the phone with uh Cisco we're on the phone with our Network

1:16:44

people like our extra Network gurus that like know more than us everyone and and

1:16:50

Ben again probably the middle of the night again probably I was looking I remember looking for physical switches cuz at some point you guys were ready

1:16:56

just to try a different switch right just to make it happen and I remember just calling random Tech stores computer

1:17:05

stores whatever in the California in that California area looking for just

1:17:10

random switches right sup

1:17:16

Keegan um so yeah so we uh so we uh uh

1:17:22

put all these new networks switches cisos everything and everything was supposed to be perfect and it wasn't perfect again yeah that that was that

1:17:28

was the issue once again and now it's even more involved we have multiple different switches we have way more

1:17:33

going on now we've got Pro Tools pulling in 64 tracks we got we got a bunch of

1:17:38

bandwidth issues and all this stuff and I remember uh we got it to a certain

1:17:44

point once again we got through service it went great all that stuff and we'll go over that I'll show you show that in

1:17:50

a little bit but um I remember we still had a couple settings we had to figure

1:17:57

out right y so we're back here we're back so now this is after install continuing our our Network Terror this

1:18:05

yeah this was really my my baptism into I'm now the network guy I Crow was

1:18:10

sitting next to you at your desk and we had Cisco on the phone we had them web Xing into our on-site computer we were

1:18:17

team viewing in we had all the settings open we're talking to them and just pouring over the settings and then we

1:18:23

had I think Steve on like in the audio control listening to chillhop and probably just uh seeing you know because

1:18:30

they we had gotten through the weekend but every once in a while they were still getting that that digital artifacts right so so we're sitting here

1:18:38

with everybody on I forget who it was it was like I mean we we got to the point where it was like all right we got to

1:18:43

try new switches I think I think we pulled the Dell back out we had the Dell out here we trying to figure that one

1:18:49

out seeing which one we could figure out first I had bought plane tickets to go back to California we were literally yeah buying

1:18:56

switches new switches to be shipped there to be shipped there and then buying plane tickets to send someone

1:19:04

back out right away I was leaving the next morning with all the switches inbound like Austin's just going around

1:19:10

buying like one of every switch at this point and and then there was a there there was a moment where the guy I think

1:19:17

the Cisco guy I think Cisco yeah was going pouring through the qos and he didn't really you know he doesn't know

1:19:23

what what odate and qand what Dante and qan need he doesn't know

1:19:28

the requirements but he's trying some different qos and all of a sudden it all just kind of clicked I think we saw

1:19:33

there was some visual feedback I can't remember if it was through Dante controller or what yeah but everything just went green went green yeah went

1:19:40

green and it was an amazing moment it is it was pretty uh it it was pretty tough to go through

1:19:48

that and like you have we went through a bunch of Cisco tech people like and they

1:19:54

could not figure it out right and then like everyone else we talked to for hours and hours and hours no one could

1:20:00

figure it out and so it was like what is going on here what do we do wrong what do we you start like second guessing

1:20:06

everything you start thinking of like do we have a bad cable we tested the cables we have a bad this do we have that is

1:20:12

there something else we thought it was the 10 gig port on the iMac Pro for a while we thought that was giving us

1:20:18

trouble or it's just like just anything you know you're just trying to find it proba yeah cuz in Dante controller when

1:20:24

there's is issues typically what you'll see is a uh a different item that's not

1:20:30

supposed to be the leader grabs the leader and so you'll have multiple leaders on your network and the thing

1:20:36

that you'll think is okay that unit that's trying to grab leader is the is the culprit that's the issue and so it

1:20:43

was probably that computer so we like well there's something St something wrong with that stupid computer look at it keeps grabbing leader it's still kind

1:20:49

of grab you know all that over the years we've learned that these Dante

1:20:55

controller issues uh may or may not have anything to do with the extra item

1:21:01

grabbing leader meaning it doesn't it has nothing to do with that it's the network it's the

1:21:07

network trying to grab um the leader for timing for for uh syncing everything and

1:21:15

anything any other unit can come or go didn't you say that that's kind of the way yeah everything is sinking you know

1:21:21

just just the same way audio You Know audio there's a sync there's a clock um

1:21:27

same thing with with all this all this network gear is all this audio has to be perfectly in line all the latency has to

1:21:33

line up otherwise you're going to hear it right so there's some some device you know we set as the clock and everything

1:21:39

is supposed to fall on line and follow that clock but when it when all the network settings aren't correct they

1:21:45

don't know where to look for that clock they don't know uh how to know who to listen to and so they assign themselves as a clock so then you have all these

1:21:51

multiple clocks pushing out you know pushing out their own metronome so right gets gets Crazy Fast right so we were

1:22:00

dealing with that so we were seeing things come and go we were seeing hearing artifacts but it was typically

1:22:05

green most of the time and then you see a little red or like some one item went rogue and it's like what's wrong with

1:22:10

that thing until we finally had the Cisco tech on and he was going through

1:22:16

our switches for hours and hours and we had gone through how many different texts and they were trying to

1:22:22

help us I it was calling back yeah it was like let me get the next guy you know new guy on the shift you know calling in and then he'd triy some stuff

1:22:29

and right at some point somebody figured it out yeah it was a multicast setting or something it was qos it was qos yeah

1:22:36

yeah it was a qos thing he like you essentially have I don't not going to try to explain that one it's too too

1:22:42

advanced but but yeah he essentially just changed one of the qos settings and it just it all fell in line I don't know

1:22:50

if that was it I think it was I think it was a for a port forwarding thing for uh

1:22:56

maybe not I thought it was a multicast thing I I almost like in my brain I have a visual thing of him of this Tech like

1:23:04

moving his Mouse like on our computer and like doing something and then looking over at Dante controller and

1:23:11

just going green and going don't touch another thing don't touch anything it's

1:23:19

working and it was like a moment yep I was like that was it and the The Cisco

1:23:24

dud is like oh oh yeah okay yeah well that's that's what you do yeah that's how you set it up and I'm like yeah dude

1:23:31

yeah could have told me that like a week ago but then it was working yep so huge

1:23:37

man then was like all right cancel the cancel the plane tickets uh return the

1:23:42

switches we're good to go yeah such a huge moment yeah and I mean since it's

1:23:48

just gotten easy now now all those switches to have those guides you know we we get to lean on all of our previous

1:23:53

configs we can look at those and reference those for what we need and yeah the the big issue with networks

1:24:00

right now is we are we are playing catchup the whole AV world is playing

1:24:06

catchup in the network world and these switches these companies they don't necessarily care about us they are they

1:24:13

could be an Enterprise they're doing Enterprise stuff they're doing Network switches for data centers and all this

1:24:19

like selling thousands of switches and and peripherals and all that stuff the market shared AVL is pretty slim AVL

1:24:26

market share for switches and everything is is small yeah so no one really cares

1:24:32

and what you have is US AVL dudes trying to manipulate these switches for our own

1:24:38

use and the the problem was all these manufacturers that have

1:24:44

proprietary communication on these switches they don't want to say what

1:24:51

switch or they don't want to necessarily endorse a switch because they have no

1:24:56

control over it and so it was just the ww west no one wanted to say you can use a Netgear you can use a Cisco you can

1:25:02

use a Dell no one except for that one dell That was supposed to be pre well that's the thing yeah they they finally

1:25:08

endorsed the switch like yeah let's just throw this flash it with this config file and it's just going to work right and then it didn't so they're like I

1:25:14

think they retracted that after cuz they discontinu that that whole sponsorship

1:25:20

prettyy fast I mean we still have it it's going in our trophy case now those Dell switches oh is it oh yeah oh my

1:25:27

goodness well that was the issue when they're saying hey you you use a you need you need to use a switch for this

1:25:33

to work and hey we can't tell you exactly which one will work in exact

1:25:39

settings that's what it was and it's very difficult to figure that out well I mean coming from a world I mean you like

1:25:45

we went to the analog world went digital you know or this really cool digital snakes where it's just like you said

1:25:50

point to point it's aes50 or slink or or something where it is still plug and play and you're just doing digital

1:25:56

patching on the console and that's easy I mean that that was an easy jump for everybody and it was awesome not having

1:26:02

analog snakes but Dante is kind of a a bigger step than than most it's not just

1:26:08

point to-point plugs it's over a network and protocols and so there was a lot to

1:26:13

learn right so that was a an episode

1:26:19

that was a long scenario with those switches that was the worst part of that

1:26:24

install everything else was pretty cool and right relatively easy comparatively

1:26:30

compared to that Network yeah right so oh yeah sweet well you want to jump see

1:26:35

some pictures yeah install stuff the install yeah or the launch we should say yeah

1:26:41

launch let's see here I got some video boom hey happen in place look at that a

1:26:50

little dark the video but there there was a happen place man sounded good so this was this is actually part of

1:26:56

phase one where this was the first Sunday of phase one where we uh we kind of put all these lights in and and then

1:27:05

they they didn't uh stick around the kind of program we kind of had a Comm

1:27:10

communication mishap where they didn't program lighting and we hadn't hadn't

1:27:16

planned on it and this is you know once again week one on the job so I don't know how to program lighting so so I

1:27:22

FaceTime Ben from from Florida and that was the one where you're you're sitting in your bed at like 2 a.m. and you're

1:27:30

walking me through how to program on Vista so uh it worked out though we we used the programming so yeah I remember

1:27:37

that cuz we had never even met before no person you were our new employee and here we are at 3:00 a.m. or whatever in

1:27:44

the morning trying to program lights is this your video Luke shaky cam bro I wanted you to feel like you're in the

1:27:50

room this is me mixing you know it's good when the head's bobbing oh yeah um

1:27:55

and this is a typical thing too we we will one of us will typically uh mix the

1:28:02

first service yeah mix audio or run lights or help with video right just to

1:28:07

make people feel more comfortable right new volunteers or whatever and we're uh we're really good

1:28:13

at getting a console up up and running really quick so I mean that's a I forget

1:28:18

no they were already using that console but there's a couple different things I did more we did more training and and

1:28:24

then I ran it as a kind of a it's a proof of concept too if I can make the room sound good and it sounds great well

1:28:30

then heck you shouldn't have any issue after that but typically some there's there's desk drift where people come in

1:28:38

and hey oh well we should be doing this oh we should be doing that and then all of a sudden everyone hates the sound and

1:28:45

they call me back up and put it in so yeah and there's a production Suite

1:28:51

so yeah this is where we hit phase two so so production Suite was end of end of the job here so I think that I think

1:28:58

phase two I don't know if we stuck around for a Sunday because it was right it was button up against Thanksgiving so they had a worship night which was kind

1:29:05

of the launch cuz we did that outdoor service on Sunday and we stayed around

1:29:10

and then I think they did a a worship night like a Wednesday night mhm um I

1:29:15

think it was right before Thanksgiving so yeah but yeah that was

1:29:21

that was their launch with this whole thing so they had they had their video director come in and get all these new

1:29:26

cameras up and running all their you know train on all this new equipment and how to use it right yeah so that was a

1:29:34

launch it was awesome at this point uh you know everyone's coming in taking a

1:29:39

look at the new production suite and stuff um Katie Perry's Katy Perry's

1:29:46

parents go to that church yeah I was wondering if you I forgot so Katy Perry's parents come in and um I had met

1:29:53

them because they're they're friends with my uncle and so it it was weird but I was just

1:29:59

like oh hey goes way back with Katy Perry's parents right yeah we go way back we go way back well he's a he's

1:30:05

like a a traveling speaker speaker guy yeah pretty eccentric dude uh really nice but

1:30:12

yeah they came in they were like probably in the room at this point like just checking everything out um they're friends there Friends of the pastor and

1:30:18

I think they go to the church so Katy Perry was not with them Katy Perry was not there like come on Katy Perry grab a mic go there sing

1:30:26

I don't know if this would be her Jam but uh yeah so overall project went

1:30:33

really well I mean yeah that's two phases over a year pH through Co in California

1:30:41

across the country through surgeries through back surgeries haunted houses

1:30:46

mhm um Co everything yep yeah a big mix

1:30:52

in that job I didn't I could when we were talking about doing it for the podcast I I didn't even I totally forgotten about all the variables right

1:30:59

with this one there's a lot yeah but it sounds great it it looked good uh the

1:31:06

production Suite was a win audio control uh everything yeah it we really set them

1:31:12

up for success and they've been able to utilize that stuff they've brought on some really talented people onto the team as well um to help manage all that

1:31:20

stuff all the production everything and they're they're doing a great job yeah still rolling with it four years later yeah we just talked to Steve a couple

1:31:26

days ago yesterday yeah talked to Steve yesterday they're ready to do some refreshes cuz we're four years down the

1:31:31

road so some updates or some programming refreshes and some new project ideas so

1:31:36

we're going to chat through some new ideas sweet well we're going to make it happen for you Steve again then we'll do another podcast and we'll just clip it

1:31:43

on the back of this one and and the network will be great and the network will be perfect we know everything we need to know right so I don't know

1:31:51

anything else you want to chat about on this Luke you got any last words you're probably our worst guest

1:31:56

yes so you're you're our worst guest yet so this will probably be your last time on the crown cast so let the internet

1:32:02

know anything you I'm just all right all right going outwards you no Luke you're awesome man thanks for having me on

1:32:09

appreciate being the worst guest the first guest too right first guest so so best guest no you're you're our best

1:32:15

every record right now you're our best guest you're our best guest up to this point I appreciate it yep until until

1:32:21

episode seven so yeah thanks for having me guys oh awesome man yeah it's fun to look back at your first project uh it

1:32:28

was it was a pivotal project because I mean I even remember you know when we went into talking about my first year is

1:32:34

just you know that was essentially my first project of the year and my last project of the year and I got to

1:32:40

Encompass everything I learned over that year from other projects and just being on the job for for a year at that point

1:32:46

so uh it was it was fun to see you know looking back on that second trip you're you're looking back on this on this job

1:32:53

where you don't know anything and you're like I've never I learn was learning how to terminate you're sending me off to

1:32:58

Home Depot and getting my tools I think I came back with like an electrici Satchel I get a satchel I was like I

1:33:04

don't know what that is but all right so so a lot of funny learning experiences

1:33:09

to to look back on uh but it was cool to go back to the same to the same site a church that we really enjoyed working

1:33:14

with and right actually having some you know knowledge and expertise to to give rather than just uh you know just that

1:33:22

first trip was just sponge mode just learn as much as I could I think I remember you saying like that that

1:33:27

project was uh your favorite and worst project of the year it my favorite yeah

1:33:32

but it was probably the most hours uh per per week too I mean that was our

1:33:38

heaviest hitting that was uh that was some some good uh make making men out of us on on

1:33:45

that project so yeah I remember the the working all night I remember like Keegan

1:33:50

like on some chairs in the side like trying to grab a couple minutes of sleep it was a it was a galvanizing project

1:33:57

that was uh yeah cuz I mean I mean the whole thing was just I mean I felt like it was you and me sitting somewhere trying to figure out this network and

1:34:03

then eventually all the other stuff finished and so you can't have four guys just all working on the network I mean that's it's just so we're doing that and

1:34:10

those guys were being Champs and trying to find anything left and then they finally lost it and they they were passed out on the pews and or the on the

1:34:17

rows of chairs and right I almost cried I almost cried so many times I was like

1:34:23

you know tears come quick at like 3:00 a.m. when like you're pulling your hair out and you have a service like a couple

1:34:28

hours away like oh I have to be back here in three hours and you're still there it it's tough yeah yeah that's the

1:34:35

life of an integration but that that's I mean that's going to always be a memorable job you know just all the

1:34:41

experiences we had all the hardships and but I mean it turned out to be a success and and a job we still talk about today

1:34:47

so um un ler company would have folded and fell apart we kept strong crowned

1:34:53

strong making it happen Integrity all right sweet

1:34:59

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1:35:49

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1:35:56

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1:36:17

to have Keegan on the podcast he should have come in for the surgery sons was that he should have

1:36:22

come in for the surgery that's right I don't know if he wants to be on the podcast that might not be his thing

1:36:28

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1:36:34

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