Huge LED Wall Upgrade!! - CROWNCAST - Episode 1

Welcome to our Podcast!! Join us as we breakdown the new LED wall project at Bayside Community Church in Bradenton Florida. We'll give you a behind the scenes look into our design and installation of their new Absen LED panels.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPT

welcome to Crown cast podcast episode one yo what's up uh my name is Garrett

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this is my business partner Ben Ben Graham on the mic Ben onai child of pain

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Ben back Yonder Ben back Yonder better nickname yeah we got a couple of them and Welcome to our podcast this the

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first podcast we've ever done this is it why are we doing a podcast Ben I mean

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I think for for me uh one we want to kind of tell our stories and and show people more than just just pictures and

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maybe an occasional video or whatever on our social media um but one thing I say a lot uh is

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that people um don't really know what we do right so it's very hard I mean even

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when we're like filling out some kind of form or you know we fill out a lot of permits and government stuff whatever to

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do jobs but there's always boxes you can check you know when you're and they try to put you in a category right even on

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social media when we're trying to like put out uh ads and stuff like that MH we

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don't fit in any of these boxes it's kind of a weird thing so we're in small groups with other business part Business

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Leaders and stuff in our community but it's the same way when I'm even talking to them MH uh you know you guys do the

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sound and lights you know that's kind of what we get a lot right and that is what we do but well let's get let's get

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people up to up to speed yeah because people probably don't even know who we are they they don't I'm still trying to

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figure out who I am so probably don't know what we do either so Crown Design Group that's our that's our company it's

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part of the crown universe that we've created Crown Global we are right now at

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Crown HQ AKA our uh our office so this

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is where we sit most days and we try to take over the world AVL style yep um so

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what we are we are an AVL in ation company what does that mean we

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design install service Anything Audio Video lighting for

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commercial um applications uh most of our clients are churches we're kind of we're Church guys

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we we grew up in the church we worked at churches uh we have a heart for the church we love the church uh we'll work

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for anyone though yeah we we do work for schools and private companies and

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everything in between but you know this podcast is kind of a way to show it off

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too kind of show off some of the projects we've done uh give a glimpse inside of like the AVL integration world

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yeah uh it's kind of a cool one I mean we kind of fell into it in a weird way which I think you know we'll get into

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one day we'll probably go through our story but every single Project's different right every single projects

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got its own cool things either like some uh some some issue that we have to

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overcome or uh a cool new design and uh so I think it's worth showing I think

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people will like it go through these projects show a project uh walk through the process of design walk through the

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process of uh trouble troubleshooting issues um being creative I mean it's a

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lot of fun yeah and we're going to do um just to share with everybody we're

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going to do you know whatever you want to call them project breakdowns or whatever where we do specific projects

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right we're going to go through them and kind of give you a look behind the curtain like a backstage because we do

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this a lot too when we're at jobs when we're done we take little tours with people right and we take them backstage

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and we show them everything and they get this whole new um view of what actually went into

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everything not just this finished product so I think this podcast will do that too per project and show people

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little details and then we're going to do just kind of Random episodes too cuz we talk about all kinds of stuff in this

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little uh office that we're in um so I think it'll be I think it'll be interesting one way or the other and um

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kind of never know what you're going to get yeah we've uh for those of you who don't know we started Crown Design Group

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from nothing we uh built it up from nothing y just pure sweat blood

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Equity uh and there's a whole world of the small business um you know the small

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business world that people don't understand either right uh the struggles the uh decisions we have to make how to

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do it how to build a company how to get out there how to get more work right dealing with the government dealing with

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the government paying taxes paying taxes I mean all this stupid stuff and we talk about that a lot just sitting here Y and

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so I guess for this podcast it's going to kind of be almost a fly on the wall in our office to a certain degree but

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we'll still go over like projects and stuff look behind the curtain and business stuff too not just on projects

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so kind of what we deal with behind the scenes that nobody ever sees right um

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it' be good to talk about and good to share and hopefully it's interesting to people and helpful to people too right

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um because yeah we have a unique one here with crown it's a it's been fun

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it's quite a unique thing and a good a really big blessing for us and our families and this company that's grown

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so much in the past over 10 years now right um so yeah that's a whole other

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podcast I think where we talk about crown and how we started I think it'd be fun and to plan to take over the the

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Earth yes take over the world the crown universe but so today we have a project

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we're going to go through want to walk through it we'll talk about the vision of it how how it came to be um some of

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the struggles some of the some of the issues with the project uh how we got through it and uh and the final you know

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the final look the final Pro the final uh product of what it is yeah so uh

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before that let's jump into a quick commercial break uh ching and we're back

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okay here we go so uh Ben Why You intro introduce this project yeah so this is

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um a local one for us which is kind of nice um it's really great when we get to work locally you don't have to travel as

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much um it's also our home Church which is also a cool story um that we can talk

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about in another podcast but this is in uh brington Florida so Manatee County

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down in Florida on the Gulf Coast and we are at Bayside Community Church uh it's

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a great church been around over 20 years now um and large Church multiple

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locations right um every every one of their locations are a bit different some are larger than others some are newer

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buildings some are older buildings that they've taken over kind of the same footprint that a lot of the uh

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multi-site churches do right this happens to be at their main broadcast location MH which is in Lakewood Ranch

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Florida brington Florida um it's about how many seats I think it's around 2500

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yeah 2500 seat a big room it's big room feels big in there big open ceilings yep

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uh Ray seating in the back big ground area for seating pretty large stage as

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well um and pretty high stage as well it's just

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a big room so anytime you're working in a big room it just means bigger things

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and more things usually when it comes to um AVL related things so in this one um

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we are going to be redoing uh their video in the room

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so they have a mixture right now of projector screens and led panels right

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and they have projector screens on the sides LED panels in the in the center stage yep and they were dealing a lot

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with continuity between colors and latency between projectors and led panels and a

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lot of different issues um for people sitting in the in the seats watching being a part of the the

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service um so it was time for an upgrade to kind of just um work through that system and make it better in every way

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so the projectors are starting to go they're kind of flickering a bit and those are very expensive to to service

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so those old bar it was like a 20,000 lumen they're still lamp projectors and not

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lamps that you can just buy online so it's like you fly somebody in to come and and relamp the things twice a year

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and service them yeah it was a headache um the screens were getting a little bit of wear and tear on them they just

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weren't looking right I mean over 10 over 10 years of use pretty much pretty

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much yeah yeah about 10 years of use and a lot of use not just like a service a week you know I mean right they're in

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here all the time doing all kinds of things so tons of you use um and they're trying to upgrade to

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have their you know the people that come in the room for service to have the best experience they can and it was getting to a point where it was starting to

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become a little bit distracting right um between the two because of the issues they were having so it's kind of kind of

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how this started yeah so we got a call from the Bayside team I'm not sure who called us but um they first it was just

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looking at the side projectors cuz the side projectors they got they're on their way out they're starting to

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flicker we got do something are we going to just invest more into these dying projectors or we going to do something

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new so over the years we've seen the price of an LED Wall come down and start

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to meet almost projection depending on the size of screen depending on the pixel pitch but every year these led

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walls get more and more affordable um and or the pixel pitch

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gets tighter for a cheaper price right um yeah before you could this a few I

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mean five six seven years ago this wouldn't even be a conversation too it would be too expensive and then what the

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panels you'd be getting would be like you said lower quality and pixel pitch would be very wide and right you

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wouldn't get the quality that you could get from a projector so it wasn't it's hard to make those decisions then now

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they did have LEDs in the center of their stage um not by us right and the

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issue there was that they bought kind of no name right just used used kind of

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straight from China LED panels which I guess for everyone listening all these

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panels are built in China right uh but still not every panel is made equal

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right and we've found that out we've seen it we've we've seen the uh the nightmare situations with someone buying

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a noname or white labeling an offbrand or bringing them over some dude selling

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Led wall walls out of the back of their truck we've seen it all and what happens

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a client gets a bad batch with maybe a bad component some bad capacitors or something little by little each one

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starts dying off and then you go try and find that dude that sold all these panels to you out of the back of his van

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and what oh you can't find him now yeah I wonder why right because he was selling out things out the back of his

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truck and then what you're stuck with an inventory of LED walls that are hard to service or you have to send them back to

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China to get serviced or you had to find a third party yeah and it's it's a

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headache it's it's a nightmare so we've decided as a company that we'd only uh

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offer LED walls that we trust if we if we trust them then our client will trust

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them right yeah it's just not worth it's not worth a gamble really for us we're

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always working with budgets so we understand like the budget thing yeah um but you got to you have to weigh that

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out especially on larger purchases and some people do take the Gamble and and

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it's been fun fine and they and they've been fine so there's those stories too um but yeah uh you just don't want

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something to go wrong with a purchase like that right and then be stuck with it right so that's why we choose certain

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ones only work with them right so another thing too is that we um or or the led the LED panels that they did

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have they didn't have enough to do what they wanted right so the issue is you're you're looking at CER screen and you're

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looking at LED panels and they did have a few extra but then you look at the side screens

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which look completely different because they're projectors right so the thing was okay well let's just change the sides to to LEDs so like you said a

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second ago we went in with the with the idea of we're just replacing the side screens with new LED panels so we went

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we started that process we started looking into it started designing getting pricing and then the

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conversation started to shift a bit um with the staff at at Bayside with

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production with pastor of well right now we're looking at something that's

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completely different this the center is different than the sides because we have led panels and we have projectors on the

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sides right so now all we're going to be doing is replacing the side screens with LED panels well those are different than

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the center ones right so the question is is it going to look different is it going to you know act differently with

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the latency and the coloring and everything yeah probably cuz what we found out you know over the past decade

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is you know LED pan panels are you you know they're manufactured in batches and

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so they can vary um even if you buy the same panel and the same manufacturer they can even vary from batch to batch

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if you have two different manufacturers side by side then you're going to see a difference for sure so then the

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conversation turned into well we don't want to just do the sides because that doesn't make any sense it kind of puts us where we are now you know it's still

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looking different so then it turned into why don't we do the center as well and try to do like a major rehab Y which

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then all which turned into larger job bigger discussions you know um but

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that's where that's where it went and so we like okay let's do it and right let's get a little crazy with it and we uh we

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got creative and did some added actually a couple other screens as well yeah in the design process yeah you want to jump

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into it yeah show it all right so let's let's look at the design real quick so this is kind of some of the documentation that we kind of put

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together just so that everyone was on the same page as as far as power uh panel count

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Arrangement uh so here's just a quick I mean this is like a sketchy rendering but um there's a floor plan

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shot um here are all the circuits we had to do um so this is a lot of lot of

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power a lot of power yep here's a a line drawing of all the uh the data drops and

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also all the power um trying to get these are some custom panel I'll go back through this here okay so that's what it

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that was the final design so the pink screens are the side screens side screens Y and then we ended up adding

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the center and then the portraits the portrait screens the teal ones or the aqua ones yep those were kind of what we

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threw in so we do this a lot on projects we'll we'll get the vision from the from the church or the client and then we

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start drawing and putting our heads together because we're creative people too we want to and and it's kind of just

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expanding the horizons like hey this looks great but and then we start showing them renders like this yeah so

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this was the rendering that um that Keegan showed up Keegan my brother who's

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our designer he put this together rendered it out it and it's this is what it turned into so when when you see the

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the pink the pictures of the project this is what it was but this is the idea the idea was first off to get uh the

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side screens which are primarily used for imeg so camera shots are primarily

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on those side screens which is typical but then in the center you've got a large long 40 something Foot Led wall

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that is primarily Graphics lyrics um different content video

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content and then we added these portraits which are like my favorite thing in this in the LED world now uh

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doing portrait imeg uh essentially focusing on whoever's either

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speaking or leading a song or playing a a solo or whatever's going on is

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typically on those portraits and the portraits work in my eyes because we are portrait we stand straight up we're not

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we're not landscape I know 169 landscape is the typical video you know it's what

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we look at at a TV and but when you're talking real estate on stage when you're

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talking LED panel count right when you're trying to get the best bang for your buck you don't need everything

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beside a person right you can just focus in and another great feature of having a

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portrait imeg wall is that uh you can save that like you you're creating

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you're creating content for that for that um portrait wall right but you can you can record it to a to a hard drive

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or whatever and it's essentially like having pre-made content for online right

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obviously Instagram everything is is Portrait everything's portrait so now you are creating that content in real

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time while you switch and are able to use that online for whatever which the churches do typically

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they they love to put up videos of them playing songs right or speak uh you know

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the pastor speaking or whatever's going on yeah they also had an issue with um I

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mean imagine those side screens not being there and you just see these big black holes in the stage right and they

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they had an issue with that for a long time and trying to fill it they used lights and set designs and stuff you

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know to try to fill those areas y um and so that was an idea too of well we could just if we're doing this big of a

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project you know why don't we throw another idea in there of doing these portrait screens in these voids and see

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what happens right and that was from us so yeah that was a that's a thing that

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we do all the time where we just kind of you know brainstorm and try to get creative and see if there's anything

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else and and give and we did other designs too we did other drawings of this you know this room right and

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eventually this is where it landed um so yeah that the portraits made it in they

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they look sweet too yeah so I have some measure some true measurements here I think so yeah so the center wall was

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around 46 ft wide it's a big wall um about 16 and 1/2 ft tall and then the

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sides were about what 20 ft wide 20 something feet wide 20 21 I think yeah

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13 ft tall around that yeah do you have a total uh panel count yeah it's just

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over 5 00 panels 500 it's a lot of panels it's like 507 or 517 something

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like that right so we are also looking at what the pixel pitch should be so these these screens are about 25 30 feet

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from the front row would you say yeah also because of the cameras you know we

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need to make sure that the pixel pitch was was uh tight enough where we weren't going to have any mo issues right so

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that the pixels were so numerous that the camera couldn't grab on to it and and give that Mo look if you don't know

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what MO is it's that funny the the flutter you'll see a person the person

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will look fine on camera but then behind it it looks like it's kind of waving or on fire and really what's just happening

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there is the pixels on the camera sensor are trying

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to take video of the pixels of the LED wall and it can't do it it's like and it

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gets a little funky and we we always have to deal with that we're dealing with that all the time but typically we have to fix it with certain camera

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lenses and uh depth of field stuff with like Cinema cameras and everything but

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in this scenario we had all that going on but we also had to find a pixel pitch

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and a panel that we trusted um and and see if we can get it on time I mean

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there's so many different factors we have to get it on time there's a there's a timeline on this oh yeah we hav't there we haven't even what was the

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timeline it was two months which is very short for something like

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this um it might have been a little more than two months maybe it was like 10 weeks or something like that this ha so

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this is a pretty fresh job I mean we just this just happened I don't know a month ago or so six weeks ago when it

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opened um but it was like right before Christmas when they uh text when they

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called us and just started to started the conversation typically um

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postco uh it takes a lot longer to get stuff stuff now and we've been dealing days we've been deal that with with with

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everything right um and like we like we said before this stuff comes from China so it's not just sitting in the United

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States right has to be brought over either on a shipping barge which is

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takes a long time to go across the ocean um or if you want to fly it I mean that's very expensive but you can get it

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quicker so we were dealing with time on this one for sure there was a big event that uh Bayside was going to have they

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hosting the relay conference which was a it's a large conference um people come from all over the country pastors come

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from all over the country to come here I think there's like 1,600 um different yeah pastors and Leadership from around

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different people there yeah so they wanted to have these new screens up by then which makes sense and um we agreed

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to make it happen and then after we agreed to make it happen we had to make it happen so that's kind of how typical

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Crown Design Group we say yes and then we go make it happen yeah so we had to find well we had to find enough panels

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because all this has to be from the same badge right we had to pick up the right panel that had the

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right characteristics for the room and the great the right quality so there's all these different uh models right of

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of panels that tout different different properties some are for touring some are like really light

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and easy to throw up and it's just like you know they're made for that typically more expensive they'll have like big

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magnets on it so that you can pop them up in placek and it makes it really easy for like set up and tear down every single

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night every single night right uh the this was going to be installed once and probably changed around maybe every year

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maybe once a year bu it up in the middle yeah so so we had to find the right panel we had to make sure that we could

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get them extremely expedited yeah the only way this happened was because um

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the panels we used were abson I don't even know if we said that but abson is what went with the manufacturer Absolut

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yeah and they um these panels were already built so

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you probably don't know if you order an LED wall uh from us for sure because we

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get them direct from the manufacturer most of the time the panels aren't even built yet yeah they're made order yeah

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we put in an order and then that's that's how you know your batch is all the same and so that takes time I mean

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to actually manufacture and put these things together it's it's weeks and weeks and weeks of manufacturing right and then it's weeks couple weeks 2 3

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weeks of on a barge to get over here and then they sit in a shipping container at the port and there got to go through

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customs and right gets finally on a truck and then that takes over a week and so there's all that's what's going

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through my brain when we're saying yes we're doing this somehow in you know two two months or whatever especially a job

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that's big so it was immediately like okay let's go see what they have and is

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what they have something that fits for the Bayside project so if it doesn't then we have to go back to them and say

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I don't know if we can make it in time or we got to try something else or whatever right yeah so luckily they did

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this panel they had they had it they had it uh already made uh which saved us

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weeks and weeks of manufacturing time right um it was still a huge push to

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like get these things into crates and get them shipped and get them over here yeah um so we've done a lot of projects

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with abson yeah abson they're a Chinese company um they're one of the biggest y

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LED wall comp LED panel companies in the world I think they're owned by one of the biggest companies in China yeah I

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can't keep up but I know you could Google it real quick but um they're a big company Google at home people um but

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why do we like abson is is they they do make a great product I know they kind of build a lot of panels for a lot of

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different companies but they have uh a pretty good presence in the US they have a brick and mortar and a place in

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Orlando here really close to us so any repair and 100% there's repairs if if

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you ever buy an LED wall it's going to need repair right away the second we install these things we burn it in

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meaning we just let it sit there on for days and eventually one of the millions

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of millions and millions of solderers right uh break or pop or whatever and

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you'll get a pixel out or you'll get a line out or a module out and they're

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kind of made for that these led panels are made to quickly swap out modules and

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they give you every time we sell a wall uh we sell extra parts like couple percent extra parts extra modules extra

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cables extra control boards all that stuff because it's going to happen no matter what it's just part of the gig

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yeah maintenance is a big just part of own and one it's just part of it but because abson have you know a brick and

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mortar here in Orlando when you pop you know a the pixel goes bad you pop out a module you

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have this group of bad modules Shi to Orlando they fix them for you it's under warranty y send them back to you you put

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them up you're you're back and then all those other ones you know or you have them all as extras I guess right spares

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again so we've we've used them a lot we've done really awesome projects with them over the years they've been fun to

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work with uh they're helpful they're always available um smile's awesome so

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we always talk about smile smile is our our main contact uh gives the best hugs in the

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game tell you that but shout out smile love you dude

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um but their whole team has been was helpful on this we we went through all this because we have to also look at

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mapping we have to look at at uh everything in between power data drops

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how to do it um yeah it's it's great to have a company in your back pocket to

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help with with things that are willing to step up and help and yeah work with the design

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and um and help you you know get the order in time and be willing to make it

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happen and push to make it happen and um so abson has been that for us even on

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smaller jobs it's not like because this was a huge job I mean obviously everyone wanted the job to happen um but they've

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been helpful on on smaller jobs too right the same way if we had an issue you know they're they're very helpful Y

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and that probably does have a lot to do with them having a pretty big presence in the United States and having an office and everything here I mean right

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well Teamwork Makes a Dream Work yeah I mean we've been doing these walls forever but you know we're we're using a

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new processor on this one which we'll get into yeah um we're probably the first install in the states with this

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processor so yeah we're treading into new Waters yeah and they're very helpful putting it together

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but all right so one of the big issues here with this project to so you know there's layers upon layers of issues or

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like um priorities that the client will have so first the priority for this

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project was just we we want to get rid of the projectors okay well that's done second was oh we want all the panels to

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look the same across the whole room well obviously then we're going to have to do new panels so they're all on the same batch they're all the same manufacturer

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they're all the same model and they all look the same right then it was well how

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much latency is there going to be so so this was the big one yeah so for those of you who don't know latency is the

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amount of time that it takes for an image to go through a camera lens

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through the camera sensor put through a cable through a video switcher through a router through

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a processor and then up on the screen so essentially a camera to the

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screen how much time does it take all that information to get there and that's what we call the this latency meaning

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that a pastor whoever is standing on stage in the room and he decides to do

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something funny or make a big J like a big motion so he claps y right so if

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you're watching the screen and you're watching him on this on the stage at the same time and he claps and then a half a

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second later you see him clap on the screen yeah that's very distracting and not a great look you might have you

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might see it at like big concerts and stuff yeah um where they just they throw these walls up really quickly and every

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everything just has to happen for the for the live show and you might see kind of a delay latency is like I mean you can think of it it's the delay between a

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person on stage doing something and then in the background right behind them on a

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large massive screen going like this a little bit behind and you know if you're

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sitting in line of a person and the screen it just drives you crazy yeah now

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there's always latency yeah if if there's if you ever if you ever read anything anywhere and it says 08 laty uh

29:59

what they really mean is almost zero latency uh if you want to get really technical we you are only ever seeing

30:06

things after it happened it takes time for light for protons or whatever to hit

30:11

your eyes from what you're looking at there's latency there and there's definitely latency when it goes through

30:17

Electronics through cameras through switchers and it's a big deal it it

30:23

doesn't it's something to keep in mind when you have these live venues with Ima

30:28

yeah um well this was a big thing for B for this job like yes they wanted things

30:33

to look the same but they were dealing with latency issues with the with the items that they had already and so they

30:40

not only did they have things that were mismatched um you know over the over the last decade of just putting stuff in

30:45

there and making it happen right they had latency issues as well so this was a

30:51

very big sticking point with the leadership of the church and the production guys of we have to make this

30:59

the best it can be as far as latency goes now obviously we can't get it to zero like you said but we went down the

31:05

road of how fast can we make this right how many H you know how many milliseconds can we save you know on

31:12

everything how many frames can we save how many frames so we did some experiments I think we

31:18

want to yeah this is a p yeah this is a picture of us on site so this is before the install um what you're seeing here

31:24

is a picture of my laptop and it's it's playing time code so it's just on a

31:29

YouTube channel playing time code laptops at the bottom the time laptops at the bottom up there at the top is

31:36

their old LED wall that was hanging on on screen and what we've done here is

31:41

we've taken the camera which is at the back of the room and we focus in on my

31:47

laptop so my laptop is the zero frame the Zer second frame meaning it is the

31:55

reference so we watch the time code on my computer through a camera through a

32:01

switcher through a router through a processor and then up to their old LED wall and what we see is you take a

32:08

picture and you can see the difference in time um I'm not smart enough with math to figure this out right now you

32:14

remember this so yeah so that's about you know the last two numbers are your

32:20

frames right the frames per second so it should be they're probably shooting 30 what it was so we're at 26 up there and

32:29

five there so there's four on the top and five at the bottom so we're at nine frames that's nine frames difference

32:34

from camera to LED wall for for us seeing it right which is a lot it might

32:40

not seem like a lot but that's that's a good chunk of time when you have an when you have a a pastor and then the image

32:46

of the pastor behind them and they're doing something it's distracting so you see it not to get too nerdy on the math

32:51

but if it's 30 30 frames a second so we're at nine frames that's almost a third so it's almost a third of a second

32:58

like it's that much time difference which isn't isn't much but 750

33:04

milliseconds is that yeah I don't know that but yeah it's it's so we went down

33:12

the road of all right how many frames can we shave off of this how how can we

33:17

get this faster now like we said before LED walls uh were notorious for being

33:22

slower than projectors they couldn't process the information fast enough and spit it out to make sense so the latency

33:28

would be would be pretty rough when you saw it right um and so nowadays they

33:33

have sped them way up they're a lot faster but it depends on what you buy and the most important thing would

33:39

probably be the processor that you have in line to to do the processing and spit it out to the panels some latency is

33:45

like you can't get away from right so the processing inside of a camera to make it like photons

33:54

to electrical image right that takes time right it's quick but it's still

34:00

there even when you genlock a camera which everything here for nine frames was gen locked meaning we had a

34:07

reference we have a a clock reference going to every piece of gear in the chain we had sync or gen lock going to

34:15

the cameras we had gen loock going to the switcher gen lock going to the router gen loock going to the graphics

34:22

machine and then genlock going to their processor so this is best case scenar scario with all their equipment in line

34:30

but um there's stuff that you can't get away from the camera you can't get away from right uh any transmission if you do

34:38

extra transmission between the camera and and the equipment whether it's a converter every time you convert

34:44

something you scale something you have you have a converter scaler in line to change it from 1080p60 to 1080i whatever

34:54

right that adds a frame right um the switcher itself adds a frame and that's

35:01

uh well I mean you can get away from that if everything's gen locked but typically inside your switcher the

35:06

processing inside the switcher even when it's frame synced adds some time to it yeah and then going through the

35:13

processor and all that stuff is is more is more time so nine frames was added up

35:20

in this scenario and the projectors are the same they're around that and we we we tried a couple different things we

35:25

even like took pieces of equipment out went like straight from camera to the processor we went straight from the camera through the router to the pro

35:33

like we tried to to count up all these we were finding out what was what was

35:38

eating up the frames what was eating up the frames yeah we could find it I mean we go straight to projector whatever and

35:43

be like oh we just dropped three frames so okay what was in line before that right well that's what was eating those

35:49

frames up yeah so this became a big discussion and it was it was made very

35:55

clear hey if we're going to do this process project this huge thing this big overhaul mhm um the latency has to be as

36:03

good as it can be right so that went into the discussions with with the client of making sure everyone

36:09

understood you know what we just talked about hey there's going to be latency at some point but um we'll do what we can

36:16

do to to make it the best we could so that's where we started going down that road and that's when we ran into this

36:22

new processor was it yeah what's it called the mx6000 Nova Star

36:29

mx6000 yep that's their new line and um chassis based chassis base card base uh

36:37

on the back um so you can you can allart choose your input inputs cards and your

36:44

well outputs are only fiber only fiber this was a new thing too but so we wanted as fast and yeah as you know we

36:52

got we got in contact with Nova Star directly abson helped us out with that and we had conversations and it was like

36:59

oh let's try this processor let's try this one let's do this one we were putting quotes together with them then they're like oh we're changing it let's

37:05

do this well then this conversation came up of well we have this new processor

37:11

and it's not really even out like the software is in beta like it's just which it still is it's well yeah it still is

37:18

hopefully soon we're still waiting on some features so then we had to have the conversation of with the church of

37:26

there's this new processor you guys would probably be one of the first people to really even use it in the

37:32

Unites want to take a risk but what it means they say it's fast what they're claiming is you

37:38

know basically a frame in that in that processor which is nuts for the amount of processing that's going on so that's

37:45

way less than than other ones right um and so we went down that road and

37:52

everyone was on board with it and okay because novastar is also a huge company and they kind of Run the game in in this

37:59

control um for Led walls you probably if you have an LED wall you probably have a Nova Star wall unless you have something

38:04

called bromton which is just a different level but um so we decided to go with this new processor and kind of take a

38:11

shot and believe that it was as fast as they said it was and um we loaded up

38:18

with a bunch of cards a bunch of different inputs that they liked and wanted um all super you know highp speed

38:23

inputs and then right um yeah we did we did some m SDI inputs some some 12g SDI

38:30

we did some um high performance HDMI I forget what number it is yep and then

38:35

was it 2.1 or something or two I can't remember 2.2 I can't remember B up to a trillion pixels at whatever it is and

38:43

display ports display port ones um the outputs are what the outputs are kind of

38:49

are a new thing for us too with this processor um fiber outputs only so fiber cards so we put in a a fiber patch Bay

38:57

yep um then we just we'd essentially ran fiber from these output panels to

39:04

fiber disos and at the and at each wall essentially was a fiber Dro right which

39:10

broke out into cat cables that broke out to cat so typically when you're setting up an LED wall you probably have Cat 5

39:16

or cat 6 whatever cables running from your controller right to your directly to your panels which is how everything

39:23

works this is the new fiber runs and save time and Frames hopefully and yep

39:30

it did make it easier too we weren't running cuz there was a whole lot of home runs we would R had to run a crazy

39:36

amount of cat cable for these walls instead we ran like seven fiber cables I

39:42

think which is we which even like more than what we needed right we just did extra made it clean though yeah it did

39:48

made it really clean um so let's get into some of this install I've got some pictures from the install so here we

39:55

have the wall just going up so we had two weeks to do this which is actually more than usual honestly I mean well

40:02

working with churches we only usually get a week cuz Sunday comes every every weekend we kind of yeah so technically

40:07

we only had a week to do like the actual Pan the swap of the panels but we took

40:12

advantage of an extra week before to go in and do all the rigging and the cable PS anything we could possibly do to save

40:20

time on the install week um we did that in the first the first week which is

40:27

still that goes into the time the times the time line of this job which was very

40:32

fast to make happen and then very fast to actually install right so we procured all the uh all the chain hoist um

40:42

trussing uh Motors we we we put some new Motors in there for them y we did

40:47

electric motors electric motors they had some Motors that we used again

40:53

um they had those looked at right before we put them up we had them all everything was resered and Serv it was

41:00

perfect timing we we we did all it was great timing on all that stuff y um so here we have we have a truss going up or

41:08

here's a truss this is a sidewall so we had four pick points um and it's all

41:13

going up to structure above and you can just see they just put one of the uh one of the panel uh rows in

41:20

there um let me see here yeah so that's how we

41:26

rigged these um we flew some fifth cord truss um the

41:34

side panels or the side screens were uh a single piece of truss it was a big piece of truss like 24 ft long yeah um

41:42

this is all the all their uh their their truss down from the ceiling they had

41:47

existing light trussing so that was another thing while we were inst wall

41:53

the church staff was there reworking their whole lighting system at the same time yep um which just took coordination

42:00

between the two of us and everybody kind of working together and trying to stay out of each other's way shout out to bpro there we go they had a crazy thing

42:07

happen while they were doing the lighting yeah uh one bad power cable who

42:12

knows how I know but it had a swapped it had a swapped hot and ground which is

42:18

worst case scenario one you can't do and they had a line of how many fixtures

42:24

probably like I don't know 10 I think 10 mover different Ty of fixtures and

42:30

somehow a bad cable got in the mix and they plugged it in and it popped every

42:35

single fixture down the line and either messed up their control boards or their

42:40

they check the fuses but nightmare yeah Nightmare how does it I mean how' that even happen I mean that stuff just

42:48

happen the devil demons and Gables so here's the here's the back of the panel so these

42:54

are nice these are the ab so what AB PL 2.5 version two PL Pro PL sorry I had

43:03

this um PL 2.5 plus version two um these

43:08

are a newer panel these are great uh they looked amazing yeah they have the

43:13

new kind of Ratchet system on the on the connectors which was really nice yeah um

43:21

all the guys were like oh these go up so easy they're so they're so nice to put up which typically is not what we hear from our guys guys yeah and when you I

43:28

mean if you put an LED wall up before or you haven't when you do you run into

43:34

things not fitting I mean the the minute measurements of these things have to be so unbelievably perfect for them to go

43:39

together the tolerances are ridiculous insane it has to be and so if it's that's why that's why we have that's why

43:46

we have uh special um structural trussing that doesn't Bend or bow very

43:52

much right we have to we put in um turnbuckles turnbuckles everywhere so we can adjust everything by the minut

43:59

little movement to keep everything flat to keep everything square right cuz it's

44:05

like every every time you if you're a little off at the top you don't even know till you're at the bottom oh yeah

44:10

and then you're and then you're off by a half inch you're like well what the heck it's because some and as you're putting

44:15

more weight on that trussing it's it's starting to right to to Bow a bit I mean

44:20

just it's physically it's going to do but these these went up these went up really great yeah especially for the

44:26

side of the wall I mean these were big walls even the side screens are big walls the center one obviously is really

44:32

big right so they still went up great um the magnets are super strong on them as

44:38

well um so they really grabbed on when you when you threw them up there yep our

44:44

team putting them up this is one of our oh this is one of

44:50

our newbies yeah but man that's how the LEDs come just so you guys know every single one of them are in its own little

44:57

so you can get either wood wood crates if it's is it cheaper to do that yeah it's typically cheaper to get wood

45:03

crates shpping crates wood shipping crates and or you can get road cases road cases so if you get road cases

45:10

they'll still be in a plastic bag with like a plastic cover on inside the road case inside the road case but otherwise

45:17

you get a wooden crate like you see on that picture in the back and then each one of those are six or eight I can't

45:22

remember individual boxes that you have to take out open up pull the panel out

45:28

it's in a bag you got to cut the bag take the panel out take the cover off so

45:33

that times over 500 you know in the backstage area it got nuts we did I

45:39

think we had three giant uh dumpsters worth of trash I mean it was yeah that's

45:44

coordination there tooe oh yeah that doesn't just happen so they had all those all those

45:50

crates in their back back they were stacked they were stacked High I I found some pictures of uh of Luke

45:57

on a I know I on the Scissor on the or on the uh the forklift I was like I'm

46:02

not going to show that OSHA's going to be all over us no when I was there I was like all right so Luke is actually

46:08

certified to run a forklift oh there you go and because he was with the coast guard for a while before he worked with

46:13

us that's true and it was during covid and he had to like load a forklift at a at a center for like food or something

46:19

so I was like all right you're on the forklift American hero just doing Luke is usually the the you know on a

46:26

computer somewhere um commissioning stuff but I was like hey man you got to go run the forklift right so here we

46:32

have uh uh young Matthew um Padawan this is all he did was manage boxes and cases

46:41

of LEDs yeah for four days for four days while the the rest of the crew put them

46:46

up or did whatever wired them in yeah uh but that's just a just you know keep that in mind out there you're going to

46:52

have a whole lot of trash you're going to have a whole lot of uh boxes and all that stuff

46:59

this is them uh putting it up so we had a really great game plan uh none of this

47:05

just happens you can't wing it you can't just show up and just start throwing LED walls up you have to have a plan every

47:11

data path uh there's there's um restrictions or there's limits to the amount of

47:17

panels that you can put on a single data run data run so we have to work all that

47:22

out ahead of time and power run and power so both power and data are are

47:28

they have maximum lengths right maximum panel counts right so none of this just

47:34

happens we pre-design it and our crew knows how many and the and the the line

47:41

of of uh of data like the path is going to take through the whole wall so it

47:46

goes up and down up and down does it go left and right it could go either way um so because we had that plan they

47:55

were able to as they put up the each panel they knew which direction the data was going to go they knew which

48:00

direction the power was going to go and they were able to to Cable while they C

48:05

right so that's uh David and Keegan that's David uh praying over the

48:12

LED wall uh we pray over every LED wall that we we in actually that's a funny

48:18

picture we kind of do but I don't think he's praying there so this is after we had them all

48:25

up and um what you can see here

48:31

o what you can see here is some of the mapping that we're doing so at this

48:39

point well I guess a couple other things that happened at this point we had to

48:44

get uh a new electrical panel put in there's a I mean was a lot of power yeah

48:51

400 amps of LED so that's something that people don't understand either is and they

48:57

typically go well I thought it was led why do you need all this power and we see that all the time on these projects where we we putting in LED wall and we

49:03

have to put a you know yeah we need 20s something 208 volt

49:09

circuits and these electricians never know what that's for right they're like what why would you need that much I

49:16

thought they're LED can't aren't they low consumption well they're way lower

49:21

than a discharge you know fixture but that's a lot of light that's a lot of it

49:28

adds up I mean 500 panels doesn't matter if those are low voltage or not I mean

49:35

so yeah we did and that's something to keep in mind too on your budget I mean that's that's looked over a lot so you

49:41

might you know we we go into that when we're putting quotes together designs or whatever we always put in a line item

49:46

for estimated electrical cost or whatever just so you have it but yeah this was a chunk of the budget to come

49:53

in and basically put in a a lot of electrical Y which is great they needed

50:00

it to do something like this to do it right um so it's great that it happened um but yeah that was a whole another

50:07

coordination um with this whole job yeah we had

50:13

uh let me see do you know David's uh uh oh yeah sunrift sunrift electric shout

50:20

out sunrift electric David thank you for your help on this project great if y'all looking for a um

50:27

a great electrician yeah we've kind of worked with him on a couple projects he's been great he's he's fun um did a

50:34

great job on this so he he had to essentially install this uh a brand new

50:40

linch panel uh linac panels are uh they have

50:46

relay relay Breakers meaning electrically electronically we can

50:51

control the breakers so we send a network cable to it and then we can control it and say like all right turn off Breakers one through 40 this is so

50:59

they can turn power off to the panels during the week that's right like if they don't need to be on then you might

51:05

as well not have power going to them if it's possible I mean that is an expense it's a bit of a luxury I I mean it's

51:11

great I love it it it helps the longevity of your equipment too yep um but instead of sending a guy up to your

51:18

power your electrical room and flipping Breakers right you can get something like a linch panel and just push a

51:23

button we program it and call it day um so what David had to do was uh

51:30

install that panel run all the branch circuits up to we did some custom panels

51:37

that had Uh custom twist lock twist lock out outputs and then it also had fiber

51:44

outputs everything labeled per circuit per per location uh per panel everything was

51:52

kind of prenot we we knew what we were doing ahead of time right um plan came together and now they have all

51:59

that power in strategic locations across their ceiling

52:04

essentially um so we have to get all that power to all these locations with

52:10

the fiber with all the communication as well yep and then build looms custom power looms custom fiber

52:17

looms yep that drop from the panels down to the trussing Y that feed the walls right right so once they're all up then

52:25

you get something that looks like this so this is this is all of the walls up I see a

52:32

camera on the portraits right now but I'm just going through whatever I find here yeah uh but essentially what we're

52:39

doing here is now mapping the video

52:44

across every screen and in this scenario we have that

52:49

new processor the mx6000 which can handle every single

52:55

Pixel from house left screen to house right screen everything in between it's pretty crazy typically if we have

53:03

isolated different screens we would usually we do multiple processors and so

53:09

like a processor per screen right and it makes a little bit cleaner because we know what you're sending there you know

53:15

just it's a an output off the router going to it and we send it whatever we want in this scenario we wanted that new

53:22

processor in the speed and having everything inside of One processor to

53:28

map across every single screen Y which is awesome and so it was all pixel mapped it was

53:34

all uh there's a couple picture and pictures inside of it so you could with all those different input cards on that

53:40

mx6000 you could send all these different sources and then inside the program move it around right so right

53:46

here we're just looking at at um some shapes to help us map accordingly pixel

53:54

accurate um to to make sure that our mapping is correct and our images will go where we want them to

54:01

right let me see here so this is uh this is Matt stuff

54:08

working with their crew um and this is there I think he's working on the hippo there so he has a

54:15

graphics machine that's pushing graphics and that's that was a that was a new

54:21

signal flow for them yep they were sending video through their hippo at one

54:27

point before and that was actually a a main source of [ __ ] in the armor yeah

54:33

that was a main source of latency was running their program imeg video through the H that's something we found when we

54:39

were doing that testing we talked about before yeah as we were bypassing things and we understanding that that hippo was

54:45

pretty heavy for video processing yeah um just running Graphics from it fine

54:51

but pushing video through it creating content that way to go out to their current system was eating up a lot of

54:58

frames right so we did not want to do that in this scenario so we took the

55:04

hippo out of the signal path and simply made it a source so the hippo outputs a

55:10

display port a 4K display port output yep and that hits one of the display port cards on the processor yep and now

55:19

you can map that anywhere so that's a 4K image that we can push so if they create content that's 4K they have they have

55:25

videos they have um moving backgrounds they have you whatever they have this was important

55:31

too because we don't want to just come in and throw everything away you know if

55:36

they have equipment and gear that's working uh then we should try to reuse it somehow and it would have been easy

55:43

to just to say well the hippo's causing you to lose like four frames in your signal we should just get rid of it and

55:49

do something else I don't think it was that much but yeah I mean whatever it was it wasn't helping anything yeah so

55:56

instead it was like all right how else could we use the hippo then and instead of instead of you know being wasteful

56:02

you know we don't want to be that so it turned into this idea of let's just make it be the graphics machine basically and

56:09

it worked out really well and it does a really good job for what it's doing

56:14

except scario except that it didn't work at first it it works it's worked out now

56:20

but yeah the week of install the week of install only half the wall would show correctly and we're going what is going

56:27

wrong here and this is a something that we deal with when we're messing with uh when we have we come process and and

56:34

we're dealing with equipment that's already existing on a on a project so we didn't we had nothing to do with that

56:40

hippo we don't even know what it is we we had we had sold it to them we don't serve like whatever we didn't know what

56:45

it was but we want to help them figure it out cuz we're it's part of this project so that that was a that was

56:51

something that came up during the week of oh crap we're like in this now and we

56:56

got to figure out the hippo I I remember trying I'm like online trying to find like the hippo guy and calling them and

57:03

right trying to get you know help with with tech support and everything um Matt

57:10

stuff went deep Matt stuff who's one of our one of our designers one of our

57:15

installers he's he's a longtime Crown Crown designer yeah um love him uh he

57:21

went deep into that hippo and here's the issue that we found yeah

57:26

off of the graphics cards inside of the hippo they have

57:32

small um cables just from that from that uh

57:38

graphics card to the cha the chassis card right the interface card and we

57:44

were pushing display port 2.1 or whatever like yeah and those little

57:50

adapter cables inside the hippo were not certified for that amount of bandwidth

57:55

right and we had there was two of them and that we were getting different things from each and different timing as well

58:02

it was very weird and so strange you can imagine the path we went down to try to cuz we're literally opening it up right

58:08

and it's if you're taking the physical thing apart you are we have already been through the ringer on this thing and

58:15

spent you know a couple days of technical support and calls and it was

58:21

it was frustrating and wasn't our piece of and then yeah an old piece of gear that we didn't sell them and you know

58:28

that's just it just comes with the territory sometimes with this stuff but Matt figured it out yeah ordered a

58:33

couple new little adapter cables for inside the the unit yep and voila it

58:40

worked yeah so he's there so here's a picture of Matt working on that um he

58:45

was also another feature that they wanted was to be able to move screens around

58:52

inside that processor so they this processor comes with a great software where you can kind of pixel map and move

58:58

things around move your images around eventually hopefully the software comes out and they're able to change that

59:05

mapping on the fly so we're waiting for that we're waiting for those um scenes

59:10

to be they can do it right now they can save scenes but they really want to be able to um change scenes on the fly

59:19

right so I think that's coming out soon right that's what that email is I would assume that's what that was that firmware and software update is

59:27

okay so here's another look at

59:33

the mapping you can kind of get an idea here this is mapped from left to

59:41

right so essentially you could have a bouncing ball bounce from house left

59:47

screen down to the portraits and you could do a full you could do a single video yeah that plays across this whole

59:54

thing that's pretty sweet I forget what the resolution is do you ever do you ever figure out what the I did

1:00:01

um don't worry about it yeah I can't remember a lot of pixels a lot of pixels from left to right it's way over 4K yep

1:00:10

um um here's a time lapse you want to see a time lapse yeah let's do it we did a time lapse maybe I'll pause it at

1:00:16

first and we can take a look at um oh I tried try to pause

1:00:21

it so this is there those are the projector screens on the sides so visually just in the

1:00:28

room those are big giant white squares that you always saw y I mean that's a big aesthetic thing in the room right um

1:00:36

so that was that was just a big change overall just physically in the room all of a sudden those giant white squares

1:00:43

were gone yep and they didn't look good it's just it was just too much time on

1:00:48

them and yeah just yeah it was time so this was the this was the last week so

1:00:54

this is the second week of stall y like Monday morning type thing the church is on stage taking down all their lighting

1:01:02

um the the old LED walls down already but let's take a look oh there we go

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here we go pulling the screens on you can see them on this on this down there big up and

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up Center wall up and up and up and then I think this is a period of

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five days five days yeah get rid of those screens

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it's more trusting we're doing all this cabling up on top they have a sky sky grid I think they call it yeah um so you

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can walk around above the stage there you can see us turning them on for the first time it's always great when you can do some turn them on and see them

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working looking at

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Graphics yeah a lot of movement yeah a lot of moving pieces

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there to make this thing happen in a matter of 4 or five days in between Services yep for

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sure I think at one point you can actually see the issue that we're having with that hippo I think it you see it on

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the center oh maybe not yeah there it is you see it yeah there it is again see yeah yeah it

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was like two different outputs because it was pushing I think was it pushing two 4K outputs is that what it was doing

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I believe so yeah yeah so yeah that's but that was late in the I mean that was

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like day four and we were still having that issue I know that Center wallo it

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was annoying boom yeah so let's look at some uh some

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stuff here so this is it this is after it's this is the first weekend I believe

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um you can see how they're using it here they have a couple different programs

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going they have a main program for imeg on the on the the left and the right screen screens then they have a separate

1:02:58

a separate mix for the portraits with a separate key with the lyrics so the lyrics are higher right obviously on the

1:03:05

sides you have the lyrics at the bottom of the screen and then on the portraits you have them on the upper part of the

1:03:10

screen which makes sense and then the center you can see the LED Wall

1:03:16

Graphics this one was cool

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um yeah I like that this Jordan yep you can see what they're

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doing with the graphics there like on that portrait screen obviously this was very spiritual message about football refs

1:03:35

and Saints um yeah the the impression I got when you look at the contrast was

1:03:41

great on the on the panels like the blacks were very dark very nice uh um the refresh rate and everything went

1:03:47

well looked good Mor was minimum yep uh it the colors were great yep the

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the pixel depth was great like it looked like a banner it looked like a painting yeah it looked like a like a scrim or

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something like a big graphic that they had printed and hung there right um it

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looks it looked it looked legit that's a that's a a wider

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shot yeah that's a great shot there yeah so that's uh this is in the

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control room or in the production sweet whatever you want to call it but that's Jasmine shout out Jasmine she's the uh

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video director she oversees the team there um the video team the camera Ops

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the engineers the graphics all that and she's on a Ross um she's running there's

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a Carbonite and an altrix uh she's got a 3me um panel there and they have another

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one uh for a broadcast mix we could probably go through their whole video system at some point we did

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we did their cameras video upgrades and I I love their set so

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maybe we'll do another episode of that but this brings up some of the different mixes

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so because they have all those different screens they are running multiple Mees

1:05:12

video mixes right I think they're running an me for program which kind of goes to the side

1:05:19

sides an Emy for the portraits I think

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two mini mes for the center graphics and then I think another me for their actual

1:05:34

online video I think I might I may have gotten that wrong just pretend I'm right

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yeah but what we H what we what we did here with Jasmine was these Ross

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consoles are extremely capable and we just program

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macros essentially what we do is we say when I'm switch ing between all my

1:05:57

cameras for my imeg screens on the sides I want the jib shot I want the dolly

1:06:04

shot I want cam 3 and cam four I want all these different shots and B B B I'm cutting through them but for those

1:06:11

portrait shots I don't want the jib it feels weird the jib is a big wide shot

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right it's it's disconnecting it's great for online jibs are great for online because you get to see the whole church

1:06:23

you get to see feel like you're there you see the congregation like you kind of you know you're watching at at home online you might as well feel like

1:06:29

you're there a bit so you see you see the room you see the people but when you're in the room and you're looking at

1:06:35

those portrait screens you want to see a person you're trying to connect with someone you're trying to connect with

1:06:41

the worship leader or a pastor speaking so we set up these macros on

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the switcher every time for online they hit the jib it did not go the jib for the

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portraits right and so we just send camera whatever whatever their camera numbers are Center tight or

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whatever and so it makes it really easy so she's running all those mixes from

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one from one switcher and she's just going click click click and kind of she's keeping her she's keeping her her

1:07:15

main program in mind and she knows that certain cameras are not going to go to

1:07:21

those portraits right or the center screen obviously which helped I mean that's a lot to throw on a staff or or

1:07:28

anybody to come in and do like a huge overhaul like that right and then now

1:07:34

your whole flow is completely different right your your entire switching flow everything's different for you and you

1:07:39

got to think through and it's opening weekend and you don't want to everyone's looking at the new stuff and you don't

1:07:44

want to put the wrong thing up and so yeah shout out to them yeah to Bayside their crew and for you know going with

1:07:52

the flow and and making it happen it's a growing I mean now they grow into this

1:07:58

thing right and it's like oh what else could we do with those portrait you know so many capabilities so much uh Creative

1:08:05

Solutions that you can do with this it's like having a brand new canvas to paint on and I think they'll get they're probably getting into that kind of stuff

1:08:11

now I bet so early on it was like we just have to get through service and not

1:08:16

completely screw it up it's a brand new flow a brand new it's a brand new setup

1:08:22

everything's different yeah and we we wanted to help as much as we could with that that's why we did the macros and stuff cuz we want it to go well too on

1:08:29

the service we want you know we want it to go well and now it's probably getting more into like the creative the creativeness of it of hey what else

1:08:36

could we actually do with this stuff now that we're starting to really learn it and understand how it's all flows and getting more comfortable with it so mhm

1:08:43

yeah Sky's a limit on on this stuff yep it looked really good in the room it

1:08:48

fits really well like I said it's it's a lot there's a lot of panels there are big screens but the the room is big I

1:08:56

mean it's a large room and it that means you're going you need big screens people were blown away yeah it was a it was a

1:09:03

feature in the room when you walk in he like whoa especially I definitely noticed it at the relate conference

1:09:09

people were well cuz those are pastors and and prod and production staffs and everything from churches and so they're

1:09:16

coming in to look that's I mean they are coming there to look and learn and yeah

1:09:22

scope and hope um well basai did it yeah can I get an LED wall yeah you can yeah

1:09:29

call us up Design Group we got a lot of conversations about everyone wants an LED W these days and but the crazy thing

1:09:36

is I mean we we don't sell projectors often anymore no because because of

1:09:42

everything that's happened like we said at the beginning of this with the price coming down on them and the speed

1:09:48

getting better and it being easier to work with and better controllers and you know

1:09:53

everything now it's like like yeah you you probably should stretch to do LED

1:09:59

panels if if you can the benefits are huge it was just the price holding us back it was always the price yeah and as

1:10:06

long as you could get into a pixel pitch that made sense for your application no one

1:10:12

likes a really big pixel pitch and you're like close to the wall and you

1:10:18

all you're seeing is dots yeah and I've seen applications like that yeah and it's like dude you should have just

1:10:23

saved your money a projector would have been better yeah projector just wait yeah wait and do it later but if you can

1:10:29

if you can hit your pixel pitch for your your viewing distance uh you are now emitting light

1:10:36

you are not reflecting light off of a projector screen you are pushing light and we know that because what what

1:10:42

percentage are we pushing these these panels right now um I think they were around half so 50% brightness right

1:10:50

that's the difference it is emitting light into your eyes so much so that we have to turn it down right

1:10:56

um people can stand in front of the screen it's a whole new world of you know if you have a projector if you're

1:11:02

listening to this and you have a projector at your church and you deal with that all the time of I know people putting their arms up and they're in the

1:11:08

projector and you you can't have stuff you can't have Graphics behind you because of it unless you have a rear projector and you have this whole issue

1:11:15

if there's ambient light you're losing luminance you're losing even the lights from your stage I mean stage the stage

1:11:21

and washing your screen out it's everything that we dealt with for years is dealing with projectors right goes

1:11:27

away and nowes it not only goes away it turns into this big

1:11:33

tool huge creative tool that you have right and you can just make your room look with like whatever you want any

1:11:40

week I mean it is the it is the way it is the way to do it yeah CU we come from the old school yeah of uh of church

1:11:48

stage designs we did stage designs we did stage designs physical designs out of like wood and stuff yeah built them

1:11:56

yeah we there remember there's that website I forget what it is we should find it something like church stages.com

1:12:02

or something yeah it's something like that and just had ideas and you know this is when you couldn't afford an LED

1:12:09

wall yeah people were starting to talk about it but there's no way you couldn't do it yeah this is like 12 years ago maybe you had projectors 12 13 years ago

1:12:15

but you like you said you have all the issues with projectors so what do you do you do a set design you build something

1:12:21

on your stage on your back wall to make it look like not a black curtain pallets and pars I mean those palletes that was

1:12:29

like palletwood palletwood anything from Home Depot like bubble wrap yeah whatever lights stringing fabric stuff

1:12:37

we did so much stuff with that I think the the best one we ever did was

1:12:43

the uh the ball circles and straws the Globes and straws the balls from uh like

1:12:50

a was like a craft store chuckecheese ball yeah like we had to buy them in bulk yeah and then you put you cut

1:12:57

straws and put them on a string it took for freaking ever dude but it looked awesome I mean but that's what it was

1:13:03

that's so that's where we came from that's where we came from a long time ago now you have a graphic designer yeah

1:13:09

so you have an LED wall behind you and you have a graphic designer do something cool and they put pallet wood on it yeah

1:13:16

you still want the look I haven't seen that yet we should just do that go back to the pallet look but via LED go to

1:13:22

that go to that site the stage design sight and take the images and post them

1:13:27

up there we should do a throwback and I mean and just try to replicate one of those palletwood or yeah the fabric or

1:13:34

the balls or whatever yeah we have some Wild Ones man but yeah that's the new world it's it's it's so much more

1:13:40

versatile and now behind you you can make it look like I mean it's obvious if

1:13:45

if if you know how the Mandalorian right was filmed right it was filmed on a volume right which is

1:13:53

just a big LED wall and they use game uh like they use game engines and stuff and

1:13:59

they use camera tracking and so essentially the Mandalorian is on you

1:14:04

know a set that has like dirt on the ground but then it's just an LED wall above them and and behind them right and

1:14:11

everywhere that camera moves the actual scene changes behind it so that you get that the correct um perception or the

1:14:19

correct movement of the camera and so that's an LED screen I mean and it looks

1:14:24

like they're on whatever I'm so bad Star Wars name t

1:14:30

t it looks like you're on Tatooine wow we're on tattoo now you're on an LED wall screen a

1:14:35

volume but that's that's uh what you can do now yeah you can you can just put any

1:14:40

background behind you and it'll look creative on on camera or it look intentional maybe you're maybe you're

1:14:47

doing like a Christmas um series and it wants to be like you know family at home

1:14:53

Christmas series and so it looks like like a house looks like a you know a beautiful home with a with a tree you

1:14:59

know a well-lit tree and a fireplace and stockings and it looks like pastors

1:15:04

walking around in a living room right you can do that I mean yeah it's this is

1:15:11

the way now so is that from the mandalorean I think it is yeah I think

1:15:17

it is it is the way yeah L we tie it all together is the way yeah but I mean

1:15:26

yeah it it is it has just changed in the past few years to where this is doable

1:15:31

now yep it really is and obviously there's always a budget you might look at this and be like oh my gosh there's

1:15:37

no way I could afford well your budget's probably different but this thing had a budget too I mean every job we do has

1:15:43

has budgets no matter how big or small there's always a budget so you might look at a big job and think oh they have

1:15:50

endless money and can do whatever they want whatever it's never like that there's always a tight budg we're always

1:15:55

cutting stuff to make it happen right um it's all relative with your budget so we

1:16:01

work well with the budget because we're because we're Church dudes yeah uh we had to do things on a budget all the

1:16:07

time yeah and I think that's one of the the great things about our company is that we we do work well with a budget

1:16:15

and we never go over yeah we never go over you can't you can't cuz we were in those positions at a time in our lives

1:16:22

right and we got a certain amount of money to work with and that was it like you don't you can't go over that people

1:16:28

are uh clients are perfectly okay with saying yes to a project if they know exactly how much it's going to cost them

1:16:34

no one likes when you show up and say oh we forgot something you owe this much

1:16:39

more right that's unacceptable that that equals a client just being mad at you right so it's part of our integrity it's

1:16:46

part of you know that's why we take very careful you know um we we design these

1:16:52

things very carefully and we put our hled together very carefully because we know essentially once we give him this

1:16:59

quote like that's it signed off make unless it's a th% outside of our control

1:17:04

yeah if they want to add something or they change things or like whatever we're doing a they decide to go bigger

1:17:10

we're doing a renovation and they knock down a wall and they find the Arc of the Covenant we have to work around it all

1:17:16

of a sudden has nothing to do with us right but that uh that's a huge thing

1:17:22

yep so everyone has a budget yep I haven't been given a blank check yet and

1:17:28

I always say it the day that someone gives me a blank check I'll make it awesome we'll make we'll make it awesome it'll be awesome

1:17:35

but um until then yeah probably won't happen probably won't happen if you have a blank check at home

1:17:42

and want to give it to us we will make something awesome for you so yeah any I mean anything else to

1:17:51

talk about on this I think I went through all the content yeah I think I think we're good um we talked about a

1:17:58

bunch of this stuff I know one other little note like any problems or issues after the install that came up so one

1:18:05

thing that's happened is because we have used this new technology with the processor um we've had to like I we said

1:18:13

before we it's in beta version like the software is beta Y and so there are some features that they don't have that they

1:18:19

don't have yet and that we wanted that they wanted um so we've been waiting on that but that was up we were up front at

1:18:26

the beginning about it but that is something that's kind of just lingered along it looks like we actually got an

1:18:32

email today oh do we saying that oh for for the software that they're releasing the software update publicly even it'll

1:18:37

be their first one so you hear you heard it here for here you heard it here first folks um other than that I mean this

1:18:45

this project was very successful um it was a massive uh visual change in the

1:18:52

room um the Logistics of putting it together and making it all happen on the

1:18:58

timeline on the budget with the certain challenges we have with the latency um with the with the design with

1:19:05

the electrical all that stuff it really went about as good as it could have gone

1:19:11

right we ran into some problems with the hippo like we said that stuff happens on every project something comes up it's

1:19:17

never as easy as you think it's going to be there's always never works that's technology that's works it never works

1:19:23

when you plug it in it always has to be you always have to make it work right but that's all normal stuff yeah we're

1:19:28

so used to it but yeah it went really really well uh the church I believe is

1:19:34

is Happy um and hopefully they can use this thing for a long time absolutely

1:19:41

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